I think any operational definition of subjective experience would vacuously be preserved by an isomorphism, by definition of an isomorphism. But if your mind ever gets uploaded, you see/remember this conversation, and you feel that you are self-aware in any capacity, that would be a falsification of the claim that mind uploads don’t have subjective experience.
Right, that vacuousness is what I was trying to point out. If there is no consciousness, then “the relevant pieces of the brain/CNS” have not been copied/simulated. It’s a definition of “relevant pieces” and isomorphism, not an empirical question.
And really, until you can prove to yourself that I have (or do not have) subjective experience, and until you can answer the question of whether a goldfish or an LLM has subjective experiences, it’s either meaningless or unknowable. And that’s just whether a simulation HAS subjective experiences. Whether they’re the SAME type of subjective experiences as a given biological source clump of matter is a whole new level of measurements you have to invent.
I think any operational definition of subjective experience would vacuously be preserved by an isomorphism, by definition of an isomorphism. But if your mind ever gets uploaded, you see/remember this conversation, and you feel that you are self-aware in any capacity, that would be a falsification of the claim that mind uploads don’t have subjective experience.
Right, that vacuousness is what I was trying to point out. If there is no consciousness, then “the relevant pieces of the brain/CNS” have not been copied/simulated. It’s a definition of “relevant pieces” and isomorphism, not an empirical question.
And really, until you can prove to yourself that I have (or do not have) subjective experience, and until you can answer the question of whether a goldfish or an LLM has subjective experiences, it’s either meaningless or unknowable. And that’s just whether a simulation HAS subjective experiences. Whether they’re the SAME type of subjective experiences as a given biological source clump of matter is a whole new level of measurements you have to invent.