I show you a picture of an asian person (if you’re good at distinguishing them, you notice they’re of Japanese ethnicity, specifically) that you do not know, and it is obvious that I’ve photoshopped clothing, background, and other environmental visual cues that could reveal that person’s culture. You only have their body frame and their face to work with.
What is your probability assignment that this person is of generic asian (japanese) culture, as opposed to any other culture (e.g. that of amazon hunter-gatherer tribes)? Is this probability equal to that for any other culture, as per an even-distribution hypothesis?
Look at the context. Racism only predicts violence and civilsiation inasmuch as it predicts culture, and culture predicts those things better—hell, you couldn’t get a razor blade between culture and civilsiation. So why does Nyan_Sandwich
call himself a proto-racist?
The primary observation is one of race. You can visually see that someone is of asian race. You cannot immediately ascertain a specific culture without first learning and recognizing in practice behaviors strongly associated with that culture.
e.g. If you don’t know anything about japanese culture at all, you will not know that a person of japanese race who does not get upset when a stranger who is also japanese calls them by first name without honorifics is most likely not of typical japanese culture, nor will you understand why another does get upset in the same situation. Thus you cannot use their culture as a predictor, since you don’t have any signals that tell you which culture they’re part of. Race is much easier to use as a data point.
Racism only predicts violence and civilsiation inasmuch as it predicts culture, and culture predicts those things better (...)
This is not obvious, nor does it follow trivially from any logical assertions I’ve seen yet. I’ve never seen claims either way backed by sufficient evidence to move my prior significantly in either direction.
You cannot immediately ascertain a specific culture without first learning and recognizing in practice behaviors strongly associated with that culture.
That does not have the slightest bearing on what is most stronglty correlated wtih what, what the causal mechanisms are, and why on Earth Nyan-Sandwich would want to call himself a proto-racist.
I call myself a racist in that I would predict differing values for intelligence, propensity to violence, etc based on observing someone’s race. I find it interesting that there are people who would not. The ones that are especially attached to racial equality have to go to all sorts of lengths to justify why race isn’t evidence of these things.
I call myself a proto-racist because despite being racist on matters of fact, I try to not make the (default) step from there to hatred or smugness. I think it fucking sucks that some people are disadvantaged in intelligence, or in ability to function as a member of civilized society. I think we should do something nice (help) instead of something mean (genocide).
I show you a picture of an asian person (if you’re good at distinguishing them, you notice they’re of Japanese ethnicity, specifically) that you do not know, and it is obvious that I’ve photoshopped clothing, background, and other environmental visual cues that could reveal that person’s culture. You only have their body frame and their face to work with.
What is your probability assignment that this person is of generic asian (japanese) culture, as opposed to any other culture (e.g. that of amazon hunter-gatherer tribes)? Is this probability equal to that for any other culture, as per an even-distribution hypothesis?
Look at the context. Racism only predicts violence and civilsiation inasmuch as it predicts culture, and culture predicts those things better—hell, you couldn’t get a razor blade between culture and civilsiation. So why does Nyan_Sandwich call himself a proto-racist?
The primary observation is one of race. You can visually see that someone is of asian race. You cannot immediately ascertain a specific culture without first learning and recognizing in practice behaviors strongly associated with that culture.
e.g. If you don’t know anything about japanese culture at all, you will not know that a person of japanese race who does not get upset when a stranger who is also japanese calls them by first name without honorifics is most likely not of typical japanese culture, nor will you understand why another does get upset in the same situation. Thus you cannot use their culture as a predictor, since you don’t have any signals that tell you which culture they’re part of. Race is much easier to use as a data point.
This is not obvious, nor does it follow trivially from any logical assertions I’ve seen yet. I’ve never seen claims either way backed by sufficient evidence to move my prior significantly in either direction.
That does not have the slightest bearing on what is most stronglty correlated wtih what, what the causal mechanisms are, and why on Earth Nyan-Sandwich would want to call himself a proto-racist.
“Want to”? Perhaps he merely thinks it’s an accurate description.
I call myself a racist in that I would predict differing values for intelligence, propensity to violence, etc based on observing someone’s race. I find it interesting that there are people who would not. The ones that are especially attached to racial equality have to go to all sorts of lengths to justify why race isn’t evidence of these things.
I call myself a proto-racist because despite being racist on matters of fact, I try to not make the (default) step from there to hatred or smugness. I think it fucking sucks that some people are disadvantaged in intelligence, or in ability to function as a member of civilized society. I think we should do something nice (help) instead of something mean (genocide).