We weren’t discussing all dogs extant in the world, which would obviously include dogs that were never pets in the first place, dogs that were never subject to human control, and probably some population of wild dogs that never interacted with humans at all.
You claimed that “Dogs being pets is actually only the norm in a few countries”. I’ve personally been to over 20 countries where this is the norm. And I’m reasonably sure the more well travelled folks on LW have been to more.
So unless there is rock solid proof it really is difficult to believe the claim.
The relevant point being that dogs being treated badly isn’t an “edge case”
The original assertion in question was more specific and is as follows:
If you count being literally owned by humans and subject to their every whim, with unowned animals or those that do anything harmful to humans or their other owned animals being routinely shot or poisoned as “trade with animals”, then yes.
No dog-owner relationship that I’m personally aware, or have heard of, of can be classified as the dog “being subject to their every whim”.
Since it is simply not possible for humans to exercise 100% control over any organism.
And in the case of larger mammals with capacity for independent action and some degree of independent reflection, such as most dogs, even exercising actual control to reflect the owner’s “every whim” over 50% of a 24 hour day is practically impossible.
In fact it would be extremely unusual for this to be the case, hence an ‘edge case’.
Elaborating on edge cases as if it was the norm is usually frowned upon in polite online discussions.
Quick Googling suggests that 80% of the dogs in the world are wild dogs living in the streets of villages or agricultural areas.
We weren’t discussing all dogs extant in the world, which would obviously include dogs that were never pets in the first place, dogs that were never subject to human control, and probably some population of wild dogs that never interacted with humans at all.
How do you think a wild dog can live in a village without interacting with humans at all?
Because they might live in the “agricultural areas” as you stated?
It’s not too difficult to imagine as wild dogs don’t universally approach humans whenever they are spotted.
Dogs being pets is actually only the norm in a few countries, and in many countries they are routinely shot, have rocks thrown at them, etc.
Source?
Have heard this first hand from people who travel to countries with large wild dog populations e.g Guatemala
You claimed that “Dogs being pets is actually only the norm in a few countries”. I’ve personally been to over 20 countries where this is the norm. And I’m reasonably sure the more well travelled folks on LW have been to more.
So unless there is rock solid proof it really is difficult to believe the claim.
Sorry, I’ve amended to “some”. The relevant point being that dogs being treated badly isn’t an “edge case”
The original assertion in question was more specific and is as follows:
No dog-owner relationship that I’m personally aware, or have heard of, of can be classified as the dog “being subject to their every whim”.
Since it is simply not possible for humans to exercise 100% control over any organism.
And in the case of larger mammals with capacity for independent action and some degree of independent reflection, such as most dogs, even exercising actual control to reflect the owner’s “every whim” over 50% of a 24 hour day is practically impossible.
In fact it would be extremely unusual for this to be the case, hence an ‘edge case’.
I observed this for myself in rural Madagascar