A lot of the concrete suggestions seem good, but if someone is motivated to generate lots of faulty arguments for something, something’s wrong about the conversation, and I’ve made a lot more progress trying to address that directly than trying to attack the nonsense. Often this has to involve some level of trust, and it can be helpful to make it explicit that you’re asking for that kind of trust, and to be a bit gentler, go slower, and try to help the other person articulate their true objection, and express genuine solicitude if you can, before responding with your own perspective. Sometimes their true objection is even persuasive!
You’re entirely right! Like you said, these are sort of concrete suggestions to be used on a case-by-case basis. I don’t think a conversational strategy should be based around them, and what you describe is much more appropriate.
Sometimes, though, you’ll be talking to someone you know and trust, and notice that they introduce an isolated demand for rigor or respond to tone, and you’ll think, “I notice that’s wrong, how do I disagree in a respectful way?” This is intended to help fill the gap in such situations. One tool in the toolbox.
A lot of the concrete suggestions seem good, but if someone is motivated to generate lots of faulty arguments for something, something’s wrong about the conversation, and I’ve made a lot more progress trying to address that directly than trying to attack the nonsense. Often this has to involve some level of trust, and it can be helpful to make it explicit that you’re asking for that kind of trust, and to be a bit gentler, go slower, and try to help the other person articulate their true objection, and express genuine solicitude if you can, before responding with your own perspective. Sometimes their true objection is even persuasive!
You’re entirely right! Like you said, these are sort of concrete suggestions to be used on a case-by-case basis. I don’t think a conversational strategy should be based around them, and what you describe is much more appropriate.
Sometimes, though, you’ll be talking to someone you know and trust, and notice that they introduce an isolated demand for rigor or respond to tone, and you’ll think, “I notice that’s wrong, how do I disagree in a respectful way?” This is intended to help fill the gap in such situations. One tool in the toolbox.