Hmm, I think you didn’t get what I was saying. A book review of “Protocols of the Elders of Zion” is great, I’m all for it. A book review of “Protocols of the Elders of Zion” which treats it as a perfectly lovely normal book and doesn’t say anything about the book being a forgery until you get 28 paragraphs into the review and even then it’s barely mentioned is the thing that I would find extremely problematic. Wouldn’t you? Wouldn’t that seem like kind of a glaring omission? Wouldn’t that raise some questions about the author’s beliefs and motives in writing the review?
I agree completely.
But note that here we are talking about the book’s provenance / authorship / otherwise “metadata”—and certainly not about the book’s impact, effects of its publication, etc. The latter sort of thing may properly be discussed in a “discussion section” subsequent to the main body of the review, or it may simply be left up to a Wikipedia link. I would certainly not require that it preface the book review, before I found that review “acceptable”, or forebore to question the author’s motives, or what have you.
And it would be quite unreasonable to suggest that a post titled “Book Review: The Protocols of the Elders of Zion” is somehow inherently “provocative”, “insulting”, “offensive”, etc., etc.
Do you ever, in your life, think that things are true without checking?
I certainly try not to, though bounded rationality does not permit me always to live up to this goal.
Do you think that the radius of earth is 6380 km? (Did you check? Did you look for skeptical sources?)
I have no beliefs about this one way or the other.
Do you think that lobsters are more closely related to shrimp than to silverfish? (Did you check? Did you look for skeptical sources?)
I have no beliefs about this one way or the other.
Do you think that it’s dangerous to eat an entire bottle of medicine at once? (Did you check? Did you look for skeptical sources?)
Depends on the medicine, but I am given to understand that this is often true. I have “checked” in the sense that I regularly read up on the toxicology and other pharmacokinetic properties of medications I take, or those might take, or even those I don’t plan to take. Yes, I look for skeptical sources.
My recommendation, in general, is to avoid having opinions about things that don’t affect you; aim for a neutral skepticism. For things that do affect you, investigate; don’t just stumble into beliefs. This is my policy, and it’s served me well.
I think you’re holding people up to an unreasonable standard here. You can’t do anything in life without having sources that you generally trust as being probably correct about certain things. In my life, I have at time trusted sources that in retrospect did not deserve my trust. I imagine that this is true of everyone.
The solution to this is to trust less, check more; decline to have any opinion one way or the other, where doing so doesn’t affect you. And when you have to, trust—but verify.
Strive always to be aware of just how much trust in sources you haven’t checked underlies any belief you hold—and, crucially, adjust the strength of your beliefs accordingly.
And when you’re given an opportunity to check, to verify, to investigate—seize it!
A better solution is: have a bunch of Scott Alexanders, who accept that people currently have beliefs that are wrong, but charitably assume that maybe those people are nevertheless open to reason, and try to meet them where they are and gently persuade them that they might be mistaken.
The principle of charity, as often practiced (here and in other rationalist spaces), can actually be a terrible idea.
But we do have the superpower of ability and willingness to bring people to our side via patience and charity and good careful arguments. We should use it! :)
We should use it only to the extent that it does not in any way reduce our own ability to seek, and find, the truth, and not one iota more.
we are talking about the book’s provenance / authorship / otherwise “metadata”—and certainly not about the book’s impact
A belief that “TBC was written by a racist for the express purpose of justifying racism” would seem to qualify as “worth mentioning prominently at the top” under that standard, right?
And it would be quite unreasonable to suggest that a post titled “Book Review: The Protocols of the Elders of Zion” is somehow inherently “provocative”, “insulting”, “offensive”, etc., etc.
I imagine that very few people would find the title by itself insulting; it’s really “the title in conjunction with the first paragraph or two” (i.e. far enough to see that the author is not going to talk up-front about the elephant in the room).
Hmm, maybe another better way to say it is: The title plus the genre is what might insult people. The genre of this OP is “a book review that treats the book as a serious good-faith work of nonfiction, which might have some errors, just like any nonfiction book, but also presumably has some interesting facts etc.” You don’t need to read far or carefully to know that the OP belongs to this genre. It’s a very different genre from a (reasonable) book review of “Protocols of the Elders of Zion”, or a (reasonable) book review of “Mein Kampf”, or a (reasonable) book review of “Harry Potter”.
A belief that “TBC was written by a racist for the express purpose of justifying racism” would seem to qualify as “worth mentioning prominently at the top” under that standard, right?
No, of course not (the more so because it’s a value judgment, not a statement of fact).
The rest of what you say, I have already addressed.
I agree completely.
But note that here we are talking about the book’s provenance / authorship / otherwise “metadata”—and certainly not about the book’s impact, effects of its publication, etc. The latter sort of thing may properly be discussed in a “discussion section” subsequent to the main body of the review, or it may simply be left up to a Wikipedia link. I would certainly not require that it preface the book review, before I found that review “acceptable”, or forebore to question the author’s motives, or what have you.
And it would be quite unreasonable to suggest that a post titled “Book Review: The Protocols of the Elders of Zion” is somehow inherently “provocative”, “insulting”, “offensive”, etc., etc.
I certainly try not to, though bounded rationality does not permit me always to live up to this goal.
I have no beliefs about this one way or the other.
I have no beliefs about this one way or the other.
Depends on the medicine, but I am given to understand that this is often true. I have “checked” in the sense that I regularly read up on the toxicology and other pharmacokinetic properties of medications I take, or those might take, or even those I don’t plan to take. Yes, I look for skeptical sources.
My recommendation, in general, is to avoid having opinions about things that don’t affect you; aim for a neutral skepticism. For things that do affect you, investigate; don’t just stumble into beliefs. This is my policy, and it’s served me well.
The solution to this is to trust less, check more; decline to have any opinion one way or the other, where doing so doesn’t affect you. And when you have to, trust—but verify.
Strive always to be aware of just how much trust in sources you haven’t checked underlies any belief you hold—and, crucially, adjust the strength of your beliefs accordingly.
And when you’re given an opportunity to check, to verify, to investigate—seize it!
The principle of charity, as often practiced (here and in other rationalist spaces), can actually be a terrible idea.
We should use it only to the extent that it does not in any way reduce our own ability to seek, and find, the truth, and not one iota more.
A belief that “TBC was written by a racist for the express purpose of justifying racism” would seem to qualify as “worth mentioning prominently at the top” under that standard, right?
I imagine that very few people would find the title by itself insulting; it’s really “the title in conjunction with the first paragraph or two” (i.e. far enough to see that the author is not going to talk up-front about the elephant in the room).
Hmm, maybe another better way to say it is: The title plus the genre is what might insult people. The genre of this OP is “a book review that treats the book as a serious good-faith work of nonfiction, which might have some errors, just like any nonfiction book, but also presumably has some interesting facts etc.” You don’t need to read far or carefully to know that the OP belongs to this genre. It’s a very different genre from a (reasonable) book review of “Protocols of the Elders of Zion”, or a (reasonable) book review of “Mein Kampf”, or a (reasonable) book review of “Harry Potter”.
No, of course not (the more so because it’s a value judgment, not a statement of fact).
The rest of what you say, I have already addressed.