I am almost sure that Nancy Lebovitz shadow-banned The_Lion at some point, as his comments showed up on his user page but not in their context (including my inbox).
Well, not sure how to explain that, but I still find Eugine’s hypothesis that he was shadowbanned and then at some moment Eliezer himself intervened and removed the shadowban quite unlikely.
My model of Eliezer’s approach to moderation assigns very low probability to this whole story. And if I believe that half of the story was made up, I have no reason to trust the other half.
There are two separate claims: (1) He was hell-banned; and (2) EY personally intervened to un-ban him.
Is there evidence that this didn’t happen? I am, too, more suspicious about EY intervening, but regarding the first claim nobody (in particular, Nancy) jumped up and said that Eugine is making shit up and no one actually hell-banned him.
Hell-banning does not work at all with people who use sockpuppets. So you may argue that it was justified, but it still wasn’t the appropriate tool for the job.
Yes, it does seem that Eugine had a paranoid episode or something and started to imagine things. Or it was a really bad attempt at getting public sympathy :-/
I am almost sure that Nancy Lebovitz shadow-banned The_Lion at some point, as his comments showed up on his user page but not in their context (including my inbox).
No, I didn’t. I’ve got a comment somewhere that I didn’t think shadow-banning would work on anyone who was paying attention.
Also, I don’t have the tools needed for shadow-banning.
Well, not sure how to explain that, but I still find Eugine’s hypothesis that he was shadowbanned and then at some moment Eliezer himself intervened and removed the shadowban quite unlikely.
My model of Eliezer’s approach to moderation assigns very low probability to this whole story. And if I believe that half of the story was made up, I have no reason to trust the other half.
There are two separate claims: (1) He was hell-banned; and (2) EY personally intervened to un-ban him.
Is there evidence that this didn’t happen? I am, too, more suspicious about EY intervening, but regarding the first claim nobody (in particular, Nancy) jumped up and said that Eugine is making shit up and no one actually hell-banned him.
...I honestly don’t understand why it matters.
He was banned. Hell-banning seems appropriate, given that he continued to try to skirt the ban.
Hell-banning does not work at all with people who use sockpuppets. So you may argue that it was justified, but it still wasn’t the appropriate tool for the job.
Granted. I guess I’m puzzled as to why its use or non-use ultimately matters?
Well, she said it now.
(Linking here because the whole debate is downvoted, so it’s easy to miss new comments.)
Yes, it does seem that Eugine had a paranoid episode or something and started to imagine things. Or it was a really bad attempt at getting public sympathy :-/