Nothing in what you’ve said previously articulates any kind of difference in the structure of what you value from mine
The exchange “I think I’m OK with that, on balance”—“I think I’m not OK with that, at all” does not count..?
and you seem to be using “difference in values” as a stopsign
No, I use it in its literal meaning. Differences in values certainly exist and are quite common.
If you have principled reasons to reject this social rule
Think about it. What does “social rule” mean? Who sets it? Who controls it? Who enforces it and how? What about costs of that rule—e.g. a higher number of suicides? What about different sensitivities to the rule—people who tend to feel a bit guilty anyway will feel VERY guilty while sociopaths will be happy to ignore it?
My principled objection is to emotional manipulation of people for the sake of some theoretical movement towards some theoretical optimum.
So the current set of social rules present in society at large don’t count as emotional manipulation, but any change would?
I still don’t see a difference in values; I have a different impression of expected magnitude of the costs and benefits and I consider the benefits relatively large and the costs relatively small. Unless you would actually refuse that cost for any amount of benefit, I’m pretty sure the “difference in values” is purely quantitative, not qualitative, and probably of a fairly small degree.
the current set of social rules present in society at large
What exactly do you mean by “social rules”?
I’m pretty sure the “difference in values” is purely quantitative
Alice a gourmand and a supertaster who finds great enjoyment in fine food. She values tasty food. Bob treats food as an inconvenience and would prefer not to eat at all if his nutritional needs were met in some magical way. He does not value tasty food.
But offer Alice a million dollars to live on Soylent for a month and she’ll take the offer—the cost-benefit balance is appealing to her.
Is the difference in values between Alice and Bob “purely quantitative”?
The exchange “I think I’m OK with that, on balance”—“I think I’m not OK with that, at all” does not count..?
No, I use it in its literal meaning. Differences in values certainly exist and are quite common.
Think about it. What does “social rule” mean? Who sets it? Who controls it? Who enforces it and how? What about costs of that rule—e.g. a higher number of suicides? What about different sensitivities to the rule—people who tend to feel a bit guilty anyway will feel VERY guilty while sociopaths will be happy to ignore it?
My principled objection is to emotional manipulation of people for the sake of some theoretical movement towards some theoretical optimum.
So the current set of social rules present in society at large don’t count as emotional manipulation, but any change would?
I still don’t see a difference in values; I have a different impression of expected magnitude of the costs and benefits and I consider the benefits relatively large and the costs relatively small. Unless you would actually refuse that cost for any amount of benefit, I’m pretty sure the “difference in values” is purely quantitative, not qualitative, and probably of a fairly small degree.
What exactly do you mean by “social rules”?
Alice a gourmand and a supertaster who finds great enjoyment in fine food. She values tasty food. Bob treats food as an inconvenience and would prefer not to eat at all if his nutritional needs were met in some magical way. He does not value tasty food.
But offer Alice a million dollars to live on Soylent for a month and she’ll take the offer—the cost-benefit balance is appealing to her.
Is the difference in values between Alice and Bob “purely quantitative”?