It would be irrational to go for medical check ups when they aren’t necessary—if you did it every 3 days, for example.
I’m looking at this from a birds eye view. A lot of people get unnecessary screenings, which tell them information which is not worth acting upon no matter whether it says that it is positive or negative, and then start worrying and getting unnecessary testing and treatment. Information is only useful to the extent that you can act upon it.
And from up there you take it upon yourself to judge whether personal decisions are rational or not? I think you’re way too far away for that.
A lot of people get unnecessary screenings
That’s a different issue. In a post upstream you made a rather amazing claim that additional tests after testing positive for cancer on a screening would be irrational. Do you stand by that claim?
And from up there you take it upon yourself to judge whether personal decisions are rational or not? I think you’re way too far away for that.
Er...I think that’s a little harsh of you. Overscreening is recognized as a problem among epidemiologists. When I say overscreening is a problem, I’m mostly just trusting expert consensus on the matter.
That’s a different issue. In a post upstream you made a rather amazing claim that additional tests after testing positive for cancer on a screening would be irrational. Do you stand by that claim?
I stand by that a lot of smart people who study this issue believe that in actual medical practice, these screenings are either a problem in themselves, or that the information from the screenings can lead people to irrational behavior, and I do trust them.
But really, that was just an illustrative example used to steelman Michael. You don’t have to except the actual example, just the general concept that this sort of thing can happen.
Overscreening is recognized as a problem among epidemiologists.
Rationality does not specify values. I rather suspect that the cost-benefit analysis that epidemiologists look at is quite different from the cost-benefit analysis that individuals look at.
these screenings are either a problem in themselves, or that the information from the screenings can lead people to irrational behavior
LOL. Don’t bother you pretty little head with too much information. No, you don’t need to know that. No, you can’t decide what you need to know and what you don’t need to know. X-/
The process of screening itself involves risks, not to mention the misplaced stress and possibility of unnecessary surgery.
This is true for e.g. any visit to the doctor. Are you saying that it’s irrational to go for medical checkups?
In the cancer screening case, what do you think does the cost-benefit analysis say?
It would be irrational to go for medical check ups when they aren’t necessary—if you did it every 3 days, for example.
I’m looking at this from a birds eye view. A lot of people get unnecessary screenings, which tell them information which is not worth acting upon no matter whether it says that it is positive or negative, and then start worrying and getting unnecessary testing and treatment. Information is only useful to the extent that you can act upon it.
And from up there you take it upon yourself to judge whether personal decisions are rational or not? I think you’re way too far away for that.
That’s a different issue. In a post upstream you made a rather amazing claim that additional tests after testing positive for cancer on a screening would be irrational. Do you stand by that claim?
Er...I think that’s a little harsh of you. Overscreening is recognized as a problem among epidemiologists. When I say overscreening is a problem, I’m mostly just trusting expert consensus on the matter.
I stand by that a lot of smart people who study this issue believe that in actual medical practice, these screenings are either a problem in themselves, or that the information from the screenings can lead people to irrational behavior, and I do trust them.
But really, that was just an illustrative example used to steelman Michael. You don’t have to except the actual example, just the general concept that this sort of thing can happen.
Rationality does not specify values. I rather suspect that the cost-benefit analysis that epidemiologists look at is quite different from the cost-benefit analysis that individuals look at.
LOL. Don’t bother you pretty little head with too much information. No, you don’t need to know that. No, you can’t decide what you need to know and what you don’t need to know. X-/