For Double Crux to work, we’re not supposed to aim for direct persuasion until after we’ve identified the double crux, or we’ll get “lost in the weeds” discussing the parts that aren’t important to us.
I’m not sure this is part of the authoritative definition of doublecrux, but FYI the way I personally think of it is “Debate is when you try to persuade the other person [or third parties] that you’re right and they’re wrong. Doublecrux is when you try to persuade _yourself_ that they’re right and you’re wrong, and your collective role as a team is to help each other with that.” (I don’t think this is quite right, obviously the goal is for both of you to move towards the truth together, whatever that may be, but I think the distinction I just made can sometimes be helpful for shaking yourself out of debate mode)
I’m not sure this is part of the authoritative definition of doublecrux,
I’m not sure if anyone has an authoritative definition of doublecrux yet. But as this is my first real attempt at it, I appreciate guidance. We did open with the Litany of Tarski, but I might have lost sight of that for a moment. I maintain that I at least need to understand what my interlocutor is saying before I can conclude that he is right.
you try to persuade yourself that they’re right and you’re wrong … (I don’t think this is quite right, obviously the goal is for both of you to move towards the truth together …
Again, the Litany of Tarski: If a God exists, I desire to believe that is the case. An update for either side is a victory. But the goal is not to fool myself or give up, or give in to confusion. The update must be an honest one, or the whole exercise is empty.
I’m not sure this is part of the authoritative definition of doublecrux, but FYI the way I personally think of it is “Debate is when you try to persuade the other person [or third parties] that you’re right and they’re wrong. Doublecrux is when you try to persuade _yourself_ that they’re right and you’re wrong, and your collective role as a team is to help each other with that.” (I don’t think this is quite right, obviously the goal is for both of you to move towards the truth together, whatever that may be, but I think the distinction I just made can sometimes be helpful for shaking yourself out of debate mode)
I’m not sure if anyone has an authoritative definition of doublecrux yet. But as this is my first real attempt at it, I appreciate guidance. We did open with the Litany of Tarski, but I might have lost sight of that for a moment. I maintain that I at least need to understand what my interlocutor is saying before I can conclude that he is right.
Again, the Litany of Tarski: If a God exists, I desire to believe that is the case. An update for either side is a victory. But the goal is not to fool myself or give up, or give in to confusion. The update must be an honest one, or the whole exercise is empty.