FWIW, if anyone is interested in my take, my guess is it doesn’t make sense to support this (and mild-downvoted the post).
I am pretty worried about some of your past reporting/activism in the space somewhat intentionally conflating between some broader Bay Area VC and tech culture and the “EA community” in a way that IMO ended up being more misleading than informing (and then you ended up promoting media articles that I think were misleading, despite I think many people pointing this out).
I might also be wrong here, and I don’t feel super confident, but I at least have some of my flags firing and would have a prior that lawsuits in the space, driven by the people who currently seem involved, would be bad. I think it’s reasonable for people to have very different takes on this.
I am obviously generally quite in favor of people sharing bad experiences they had, but would currently make bets that most people on LW would regret getting involved with this (but am also open to argument and don’t feel super robust in this).
Thank you for your comment. It contains a few assumptions that are not quite true. I am not sure that the comment section here is the best place to address them, and in person diplomacy may be wise. I would be down to get coffee the next time we are in the same city and discuss in more detail.
I haven’t looked into the things I mentioned in a ton of detail (though have spent a few hours on it), but have learned to err on the side of sharing my takes here (where even if they are wrong, it seems better to have them be in the open so that people correct them and people can track what I believe even if they think it’s dumb/wrong).
Ok, thank you for your openness. I find that in-person conversations about sensitive matters like these are easier as tone, facial expression, body language are very important here. It is possible that my past comments on EA that you refer to came off as more hostile than intended due to the text-based medium.
Fwiw, the contents of this original post actually have nothing to do with EA itself, or the past articles that mentioned me.
Makes sense. My experience has been that in-person conversations are helpful for getting on the same page, but they also often come with confidentiality requests that then make it very hard for information to propagate back out into the broader social fabric, and that often makes those conversations more costly than beneficial. But I do think it’s a good starting point if you don’t do the very costly confidentiality stuff.
Fwiw, the contents of this original post actually have nothing to do with EA itself, or the past articles that mentioned me.
Yep, that makes sense. I wasn’t trying to imply that it was (but still seems good to clarify).
FWIW, if anyone is interested in my take, my guess is it doesn’t make sense to support this (and mild-downvoted the post).
I am pretty worried about some of your past reporting/activism in the space somewhat intentionally conflating between some broader Bay Area VC and tech culture and the “EA community” in a way that IMO ended up being more misleading than informing (and then you ended up promoting media articles that I think were misleading, despite I think many people pointing this out).
People can form their own opinions on this: https://forum.effectivealtruism.org/posts/JCyX29F77Jak5gbwq/ea-sexual-harassment-and-abuse?commentId=DAxFgmWe3acigvTfi
I might also be wrong here, and I don’t feel super confident, but I at least have some of my flags firing and would have a prior that lawsuits in the space, driven by the people who currently seem involved, would be bad. I think it’s reasonable for people to have very different takes on this.
I am obviously generally quite in favor of people sharing bad experiences they had, but would currently make bets that most people on LW would regret getting involved with this (but am also open to argument and don’t feel super robust in this).
Hi habryka,
Thank you for your comment. It contains a few assumptions that are not quite true. I am not sure that the comment section here is the best place to address them, and in person diplomacy may be wise. I would be down to get coffee the next time we are in the same city and discuss in more detail.
Sure, happy to chat sometime.
I haven’t looked into the things I mentioned in a ton of detail (though have spent a few hours on it), but have learned to err on the side of sharing my takes here (where even if they are wrong, it seems better to have them be in the open so that people correct them and people can track what I believe even if they think it’s dumb/wrong).
Ok, thank you for your openness. I find that in-person conversations about sensitive matters like these are easier as tone, facial expression, body language are very important here. It is possible that my past comments on EA that you refer to came off as more hostile than intended due to the text-based medium.
Fwiw, the contents of this original post actually have nothing to do with EA itself, or the past articles that mentioned me.
Makes sense. My experience has been that in-person conversations are helpful for getting on the same page, but they also often come with confidentiality requests that then make it very hard for information to propagate back out into the broader social fabric, and that often makes those conversations more costly than beneficial. But I do think it’s a good starting point if you don’t do the very costly confidentiality stuff.
Yep, that makes sense. I wasn’t trying to imply that it was (but still seems good to clarify).