I also think that censoring that kind of statement is a reasonable thing to consider doing. But the rules seem to consistently get written in a way that does not differentiate between this and a similar true or good faith statement, and instead give power the ability to censor whatever they dislike.
This sounds to me a lot like “real X has never been tried,” so my response is similar to what I’d usually say. This is what real censorship does. Censorship without falsehood is an unstable system bound to eventually reach equilibrium. Why? Because we live in a sufficiently social world that if you have censorship power, you can succeed without being right about the physical world (and why bother being right if it’s slightly inconvenient?). Concentrations of social power attract simulacrum-4 players, and if they have enough power they can live whole happy lives without ever facing that rude awakening that the physical world exists.
“I am not seeing this movie because I don’t have to and you can’t make me.”
My thoughts exactly! And maybe it’s because I’ve been reading these posts all along that I find the premise of that movie so exhausting; our institutions aren’t set up to adequately handle crisis? No fucking shit. Apparently to many people this is a novel enough revelation that it makes for an interesting movie, which itself is frustrating.
My personal conversations have reflected what Scott said about the actual meaning being garbled. I haven’t heard a real answer to this. So it sounds like some kind of “narcissistic ennui porn”: Ennui because everything’s fucked and we can’t do anything about it; Narcissistic because, by being one of the rare few who recognize this, I’m special (never mind that I won’t do anything about it); Porn because it’s superstimulating and meaningless.
What’s extra frustrating is to see it coming out of Hollywood, ie actual power. If you have 100+ million dollars, I don’t want to hear about how “those in power won’t listen to me about climate change!” Either you’re not trying or you suck at being powerful.
This sounds to me a lot like “real X has never been tried,” so my response is similar to what I’d usually say. This is what real censorship does. Censorship without falsehood is an unstable system bound to eventually reach equilibrium. Why? Because we live in a sufficiently social world that if you have censorship power, you can succeed without being right about the physical world (and why bother being right if it’s slightly inconvenient?). Concentrations of social power attract simulacrum-4 players, and if they have enough power they can live whole happy lives without ever facing that rude awakening that the physical world exists.
My thoughts exactly! And maybe it’s because I’ve been reading these posts all along that I find the premise of that movie so exhausting; our institutions aren’t set up to adequately handle crisis? No fucking shit. Apparently to many people this is a novel enough revelation that it makes for an interesting movie, which itself is frustrating.
My personal conversations have reflected what Scott said about the actual meaning being garbled. I haven’t heard a real answer to this. So it sounds like some kind of “narcissistic ennui porn”: Ennui because everything’s fucked and we can’t do anything about it; Narcissistic because, by being one of the rare few who recognize this, I’m special (never mind that I won’t do anything about it); Porn because it’s superstimulating and meaningless.
What’s extra frustrating is to see it coming out of Hollywood, ie actual power. If you have 100+ million dollars, I don’t want to hear about how “those in power won’t listen to me about climate change!” Either you’re not trying or you suck at being powerful.