Its purpose seems to be to motivate people already convinced to actually do something,
In other words to motivate idiots to act on their stupidity.
or to spread awareness of a position (again, without arguing for it).
What exactly is “spread awareness” supposed to mean? It seems to mean “convince people using dark arts”.
The obvious answer is “drug laws and mandatory sentences”, and the article does propose to do away with them.
Drug laws have been around a lot longer than 40 years. As for mandatory sentences, they were introduced because crime was reaching unacceptable levels. So I don’t think repealing them is a good idea without addressing the issue that made them necessary.
which is (as the article fails to mention but should have) similar to some European countries
The same European countries that have given up enforcing any sense of order in large parts of their major cities.
By the way, if you want to deal with some of the actual politically untouchable issues that make the problem unsolvable, you can start by looking at the correlation between race and violent crime.
As for mandatory sentences, they were introduced because crime was reaching unacceptable levels. So I don’t think repealing them is a good idea without addressing the issue that made them necessary.
The 60′s did have an increase in crime but crime rates are lower than before that time.
The sourcing there is weak and questionable at best. That people assert that areas are “no-go” is pretty different than there being a genuine lack of any sense of order, and that’s even before one looks at the issue of whether this is any different from some areas simply being higher in crime than others.
I am not making claims about “any sense of order”, but going by what I read European police lost control of some chunks of its territory.
Take Calais. Here is a sympathetic account which is actually a kinda-detective story: a body in a wetsuit washes up on Norway’s shore and people are trying to figure out who-what-why. The clues lead to an immigrant camp in Calais and, well, it’s pretty clear that the French state lost control there.
I am not making claims about “any sense of order”, but going by what I read European police lost control of some chunks of its territory.
In this context that’s what relevant, since VoiceOfRa talked about “European countries that have given up enforcing any sense of order in large parts of their major cities.” If you aren’t talking about that then how is it a relevant response?
In other words to motivate idiots to act on their stupidity.
Couldn’t you criticize all advocacy on the same basis?
Spread awareness mean “make more people aware that position X exists and has advocates, even if they don’t agree”.
Re mandatory sentences, the ones for drug crimes were enacted because drugs crimes were increasing? Then if you concede that drug laws are wrong, those sentences shouldn’t happen either.
The same European countries that have given up enforcing any sense of order in large parts of their major cities.
In other words to motivate idiots to act on their stupidity.
What exactly is “spread awareness” supposed to mean? It seems to mean “convince people using dark arts”.
Drug laws have been around a lot longer than 40 years. As for mandatory sentences, they were introduced because crime was reaching unacceptable levels. So I don’t think repealing them is a good idea without addressing the issue that made them necessary.
The same European countries that have given up enforcing any sense of order in large parts of their major cities.
By the way, if you want to deal with some of the actual politically untouchable issues that make the problem unsolvable, you can start by looking at the correlation between race and violent crime.
The 60′s did have an increase in crime but crime rates are lower than before that time.
Such as?
Wikipedia
Some areas by the Eurotunnel in Calais, France come to mind, for example. Sweden seems to have problems, too.
The sourcing there is weak and questionable at best. That people assert that areas are “no-go” is pretty different than there being a genuine lack of any sense of order, and that’s even before one looks at the issue of whether this is any different from some areas simply being higher in crime than others.
I am not making claims about “any sense of order”, but going by what I read European police lost control of some chunks of its territory.
Take Calais. Here is a sympathetic account which is actually a kinda-detective story: a body in a wetsuit washes up on Norway’s shore and people are trying to figure out who-what-why. The clues lead to an immigrant camp in Calais and, well, it’s pretty clear that the French state lost control there.
There’s a difference between losing control and “giv[ing] up enforcing any sense of order”
In this context that’s what relevant, since VoiceOfRa talked about “European countries that have given up enforcing any sense of order in large parts of their major cities.” If you aren’t talking about that then how is it a relevant response?
In the context of “given up enforcing”.
The enforcement and penalties were rewritten in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controlled_Substances_Act. I’m not sure what your point is here.
Couldn’t you criticize all advocacy on the same basis?
Spread awareness mean “make more people aware that position X exists and has advocates, even if they don’t agree”.
Re mandatory sentences, the ones for drug crimes were enacted because drugs crimes were increasing? Then if you concede that drug laws are wrong, those sentences shouldn’t happen either.
Which country are you talking about? Norway has a maximum, and does better than the US. http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/Norway/United-States/Crime
I haven’t studied this in depth, but where’s the argument that the US’s prison system has led to better outcomes?