In my experience of similar appearing shifts of person, what you are experiencing is the “instability” that is to become your new (and more) “stable” state. It will provide advantages and disadvantages and is, in my finding, a more optimal but longer term strategy for the living of life.
Remember:
You exist (i.e. “you think, therefore you are”—thank you Descartes)
Item 1. above provides at least one example of an indisputable truth that you may know. As a result, truth exists whether you know what that truth is or not.
Although it may appear less stable, your newer normal provides greater stability. After all a system which can be made unstable was not stable, it only maintained such an appearance.
Don’t forget to rest and appreciate the work you have chosen for yourself. Doing so can only support your continued ability to strive further.
Regarding the concerns you have for the emerging new morality, I think you’ll find well enough over time that you come full circle. There are experientially more options before you than you previously provided yourself. However, some of those are better options than the others. In the end, given the shared nature of existence your own most selfish interests will bear relationship to the greatest selfish interests of the other sentiences in said existence. There is some trickiness in that last statement but I stand by it. As you begin to come around this “full circle” what I would suggest you’ll find is that you’ll not only approach your previous state in a sense but that it will be supported by a greater appreciation of, awareness of, and capability in how to better obtain your goals.
Enjoy the exploration of your possible person states!
You exist (i.e. “you think, therefore you are”—thank you Descartes)
Item 1. above provides at least one example of an indisputable truth that you may know.
I’m not at all impressed with the Descartes thought, and it isn’t an especially powerful or indisputable premise. It doesn’t really do anything except beg the question while adding a detail about the definition of ‘you’. It certainly isn’t nearly powerful enough to be used the way he used it.
I would merely suggest, qualitative assignments aside, that it is enough to deny nihilistic mind states that can occur as one possible result of abandoning cached selves.
I am curious if there is a link or further explanation you can provide to help me understand your objections and why you have them more easily. I’m not interested in defending Descartes or his body of work but his is one of the earliest and better known accounts I have encountered (being relatively not-well-read) of that particular strain of thought that was itself an important part of my formative years. Care to provide?
I perhaps should clarify that I am impressed with Descartes’ work relative to his cultural context. But right now he is a tad behind the times. When we consider Tegmark Multiverses, simulations by hostile entities, counterfactuals and mathemetical analysis of parts of mindspace without actually simulating them, “You think therefore you are” becomes downright misleading.
I perhaps should clarify that I am impressed with Descartes’ work relative to his cultural context.
Uh...what? Descartes’ cogito ergo sum is a paraphrase of Saint Augustine’s argument in De Civitate Dei (published in the Early Middle Ages). Hell, Aristotle makes almost the same argument in the Nicomachean Ethics.
Uh...what? Descartes’ cogito ergo sum is a paraphrase of Saint Augustine’s argument in De Civitate Dei (published in the Early Middle Ages). Hell, Aristotle makes almost the same argument in the Nicomachean Ethics.
Are you suggesting that Descartes’ wasn’t even particularly impressive in his own time? I’d be willing to take the word of others on that because I certainly have no interest in spending time rummaging through obsolete philosophical writings to more precisely calculate situation-dependent merit.
Are you suggesting that Descartes’ wasn’t even particularly impressive in his own time?
No, not at all. His work in math and physics was very impressive for his time. I am merely pointing out that paraphrasing a thousand year old argument (which he was almost certainly introduced to during his scholastic training) isn’t a good example of his impressiveness (I’m guessing a majority of his classmates could have done the same).
Not so much “Err” as exactly the point. Exposure to (some of) what Descartes has said regarding thinking with such entities around was what prompted me to include that example when listing times when related, cached, Descartes thoughts are just going to be misleading.
Descartes’ argument is valid. Those are only counterexamples if you confuse yourself about the meaning of existence. In every case, the possible thinking beings (and their thoughts) either exist or they don’t, and the argument remains valid.
Depending on how the terms are resolved and which additional premises the definition makes necessary the argument resolves to somewhere between tautological and circular. It is vaguely helpful to counter a particular kind of insanity but not much more.
Those are only counterexamples if you confuse yourself about the meaning of existence. In every case, the possible thinking beings (and their thoughts) either exist or they don’t, and the argument remains valid.
They aren’t presented as counterexamples. Merely cases where the line of reasoning and the baggage that comes with it is more likely to detrimental than useful.
As wedrifid appeared to intone in the original reply, the actually discovered “there is cognitive activity present” from the given link is the key knowledge of pertinence to open the exploration of what is self.
Thanks for the further context.
I was originally impressed (and continue to be) by diegocaleiro’s open self presentation (awesome!) and hoped to merely provide, in its greatest hope, a possible sense of dependable enough structure for accelerated progression beyond pitfalls that I had previously slowed within.
While the analytical ideation is pleasant, relevant, and useful, the emotive or experiential consequences seem relevant and vital as catalyst that can either grow or inhibit the evolution we are attempting to partake in for the artifact of sentience. We can chose our preferential modes or aspects but it does not deny that our persons are more broad or that each has strengths to provide and weaknesses to avoid.
In my experience of similar appearing shifts of person, what you are experiencing is the “instability” that is to become your new (and more) “stable” state. It will provide advantages and disadvantages and is, in my finding, a more optimal but longer term strategy for the living of life.
Remember:
You exist (i.e. “you think, therefore you are”—thank you Descartes)
Item 1. above provides at least one example of an indisputable truth that you may know. As a result, truth exists whether you know what that truth is or not.
Although it may appear less stable, your newer normal provides greater stability. After all a system which can be made unstable was not stable, it only maintained such an appearance.
Don’t forget to rest and appreciate the work you have chosen for yourself. Doing so can only support your continued ability to strive further.
Regarding the concerns you have for the emerging new morality, I think you’ll find well enough over time that you come full circle. There are experientially more options before you than you previously provided yourself. However, some of those are better options than the others. In the end, given the shared nature of existence your own most selfish interests will bear relationship to the greatest selfish interests of the other sentiences in said existence. There is some trickiness in that last statement but I stand by it. As you begin to come around this “full circle” what I would suggest you’ll find is that you’ll not only approach your previous state in a sense but that it will be supported by a greater appreciation of, awareness of, and capability in how to better obtain your goals.
Enjoy the exploration of your possible person states!
I’m not at all impressed with the Descartes thought, and it isn’t an especially powerful or indisputable premise. It doesn’t really do anything except beg the question while adding a detail about the definition of ‘you’. It certainly isn’t nearly powerful enough to be used the way he used it.
A reference to further reading I should do would be likewise appreciated.
I would merely suggest, qualitative assignments aside, that it is enough to deny nihilistic mind states that can occur as one possible result of abandoning cached selves.
I am curious if there is a link or further explanation you can provide to help me understand your objections and why you have them more easily. I’m not interested in defending Descartes or his body of work but his is one of the earliest and better known accounts I have encountered (being relatively not-well-read) of that particular strain of thought that was itself an important part of my formative years. Care to provide?
I perhaps should clarify that I am impressed with Descartes’ work relative to his cultural context. But right now he is a tad behind the times. When we consider Tegmark Multiverses, simulations by hostile entities, counterfactuals and mathemetical analysis of parts of mindspace without actually simulating them, “You think therefore you are” becomes downright misleading.
Uh...what? Descartes’ cogito ergo sum is a paraphrase of Saint Augustine’s argument in De Civitate Dei (published in the Early Middle Ages). Hell, Aristotle makes almost the same argument in the Nicomachean Ethics.
Are you suggesting that Descartes’ wasn’t even particularly impressive in his own time? I’d be willing to take the word of others on that because I certainly have no interest in spending time rummaging through obsolete philosophical writings to more precisely calculate situation-dependent merit.
No, not at all. His work in math and physics was very impressive for his time. I am merely pointing out that paraphrasing a thousand year old argument (which he was almost certainly introduced to during his scholastic training) isn’t a good example of his impressiveness (I’m guessing a majority of his classmates could have done the same).
Er...
Not so much “Err” as exactly the point. Exposure to (some of) what Descartes has said regarding thinking with such entities around was what prompted me to include that example when listing times when related, cached, Descartes thoughts are just going to be misleading.
Descartes’ argument is valid. Those are only counterexamples if you confuse yourself about the meaning of existence. In every case, the possible thinking beings (and their thoughts) either exist or they don’t, and the argument remains valid.
Depending on how the terms are resolved and which additional premises the definition makes necessary the argument resolves to somewhere between tautological and circular. It is vaguely helpful to counter a particular kind of insanity but not much more.
They aren’t presented as counterexamples. Merely cases where the line of reasoning and the baggage that comes with it is more likely to detrimental than useful.
As wedrifid appeared to intone in the original reply, the actually discovered “there is cognitive activity present” from the given link is the key knowledge of pertinence to open the exploration of what is self.
Thanks for the further context.
I was originally impressed (and continue to be) by diegocaleiro’s open self presentation (awesome!) and hoped to merely provide, in its greatest hope, a possible sense of dependable enough structure for accelerated progression beyond pitfalls that I had previously slowed within.
While the analytical ideation is pleasant, relevant, and useful, the emotive or experiential consequences seem relevant and vital as catalyst that can either grow or inhibit the evolution we are attempting to partake in for the artifact of sentience. We can chose our preferential modes or aspects but it does not deny that our persons are more broad or that each has strengths to provide and weaknesses to avoid.