I’ve seen this claim many places, including in the Sequences, but I’ve never been able to track down an authoritative source. It seems false in classical physics, and I know little about relativity. Unfortunately, my Google-Fu is too weak to investigate. Can anyone help?
Because this expansion is caused by relative changes in the distance-defining metric, this expansion (and the resultant movement apart of objects) is not restricted by the speed of light upper bound of special relativity.
Thank you. It is moderately clear to me from the link that James’ thought-experiment is possible.
Do you know of a more authoritative description of the thought-experiment, preferably with numbers? It would be nice to have an equation where you give the speed of James’ spaceship and the distance to it, and calculate if the required speed to catch it is above the speed of light.
Naively, the required condition is v + dH > c, where v is the velocity of the spaceship, d is the distance from the threat and H is Hubble’s constant.
However, when discussing distances on the order of billions of light years and velocities near the speed of light, the complications are many, not to mention an area of current research. For a more sophisticated treatment see user Pulsar’s answer to this question …
Yes, until the distance exceeds the Hubble distance of the time, then the light from the spaceship will red shift out of existence as it crosses the event horizon. Wiki says that in around 2 trillion years, this will be true for light from all galaxies outside the local supercluster.
I’ve seen this claim many places, including in the Sequences, but I’ve never been able to track down an authoritative source. It seems false in classical physics, and I know little about relativity. Unfortunately, my Google-Fu is too weak to investigate. Can anyone help?
Do you mean the metric expansion of space?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metric_expansion_of_space
Thank you. It is moderately clear to me from the link that James’ thought-experiment is possible.
Do you know of a more authoritative description of the thought-experiment, preferably with numbers? It would be nice to have an equation where you give the speed of James’ spaceship and the distance to it, and calculate if the required speed to catch it is above the speed of light.
Naively, the required condition is v + dH > c, where v is the velocity of the spaceship, d is the distance from the threat and H is Hubble’s constant.
However, when discussing distances on the order of billions of light years and velocities near the speed of light, the complications are many, not to mention an area of current research. For a more sophisticated treatment see user Pulsar’s answer to this question …
http://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/60519/can-space-expand-with-unlimited-speed/
… in particular the graph Pulsar made for the answer …
http://i.stack.imgur.com/Uzjtg.png
… and/or the Davis and Lineweaver paper [PDF] referenced in the answer.
Wow. It looks like light from James’ spaceship can indeed reach us, even if light from us cannot reach the spaceship.
Yes, until the distance exceeds the Hubble distance of the time, then the light from the spaceship will red shift out of existence as it crosses the event horizon. Wiki says that in around 2 trillion years, this will be true for light from all galaxies outside the local supercluster.