“Biased” is not necessarily a value judgment. Insofar as rationality as a system, orthogonal to morality, is objective, biases as systematic deviations from rationality are also objective.
Arbitrary carries connotations of value judgment, but in a sense I think it’s fair to say that all values are fundamentally arbitrary. You can explain what caused an agent to hold those values, but you can’t judge whether values are good or bad except by the standards of other values.
Arbitrary and Bias are not defined properties in formal logic. The bare assertion that they are properties of rationality assumes the conclusion.
Keep in mind that “rationality” has a multitude of meanings, and this community’s usage of rationality is idiosyncratic.
Non contradictoriness probably isn’t a sufficient condition for truth.
Sure, but the discussion is partially a search for other criteria to evaluate of the truth of moral propositions. Arbitrary is not such a criteria. If you were to taboo arbitrary, I strongly suspect you’d find moral propositions that are inconsistent with being values-neutral.
Arbitrary and Bias are not defined properties in formal logic. The bare assertion that they are properties of rationality assumes the conclusion.
There’s plenty of material on this site and elsewhere advising rationalists to avoid arbitrariness and bias. Arbitrariness and bias are essentially structural/functional properties, so I do not see why they could not be given formal definitions.
Sure, but the discussion is partially a search for other criteria to evaluate of the truth of moral propositions. Arbitrary is not such a criteria.
Arbitrary and biased claims are not candidates for being ethical claims at all.
Including arbitrary, biased or contradictory ones? Are there values built into logic/rationality?
Arbitrary and biased are value judgments. If we decline to make any value judgments, I don’t see any way to make those sorts of claims.
Whether more than one non-contradictory value system exists is the topic of the conversation, isn’t it?
“Biased” is not necessarily a value judgment. Insofar as rationality as a system, orthogonal to morality, is objective, biases as systematic deviations from rationality are also objective.
Arbitrary carries connotations of value judgment, but in a sense I think it’s fair to say that all values are fundamentally arbitrary. You can explain what caused an agent to hold those values, but you can’t judge whether values are good or bad except by the standards of other values.
I’m going to pass on Eliezer’s suggestion to stop engaging with PrawnOfFate. I don’t think my time doing so so far has been well spent.
And they’ree built into rationality.
Non contradictoriness probably isn’t a sufficient condition for truth.
Arbitrary and Bias are not defined properties in formal logic. The bare assertion that they are properties of rationality assumes the conclusion.
Keep in mind that “rationality” has a multitude of meanings, and this community’s usage of rationality is idiosyncratic.
Sure, but the discussion is partially a search for other criteria to evaluate of the truth of moral propositions. Arbitrary is not such a criteria. If you were to taboo arbitrary, I strongly suspect you’d find moral propositions that are inconsistent with being values-neutral.
There’s plenty of material on this site and elsewhere advising rationalists to avoid arbitrariness and bias. Arbitrariness and bias are essentially structural/functional properties, so I do not see why they could not be given formal definitions.
Arbitrary and biased claims are not candidates for being ethical claims at all.