JANEWAY: I understand you grew up on Vico Five. No wonder you became a cosmologist. HARREN: Wildest sky in the Alpha quadrant. JANEWAY: So they say. I’ve never been there. HARREN: Do you really believe that childhood environment is more important than genetically driven behaviour patterns? JANEWAY: Just making conversation. HARREN: Conversation filled with unspoken assumptions, which I don’t agree with. I’m a product of my nucleic acids. Where and how I was raised are beside the point. So if you’re trying to understand me better, questions about my home planet are irrelevant.
I really dislike the nature versus nurture false dichotomy. It grates on me to see it still taken seriously, even after the premise that our actions are shaped entirely by one or the other has been as scientifically discredited as phlogiston.
Oh, I agree with you that nature vs. nurture is a false dichotomy, but I was actually cheered to see this exchange. As terrible as it is by our epistemic standards, it’s actually quite sophisticated by Star Trek standards. (So much of what gets called science fiction is actually technology fantasy.) I was similarly cheered to see the other exchange that I posted from that episode: he actually used the word hypothesis! Real philosophy of science! On Voyager! I love it! Best episode ever!
And you can see how this is still a rationality quote despite the conceptual confusion. Janeway is trying to break through Harren’s contempt, but Harren resists her cliches and insists on (what he erroneously thinks is) accuracy.
So which of the two characters exemplifies rationalist virtues? It seems to me we’ve got one who’s trying to use clichés to “break through” to the other, and one who’s just stubbornly wrong.
---Star Trek: Voyager, “Good Shepherd”
I really dislike the nature versus nurture false dichotomy. It grates on me to see it still taken seriously, even after the premise that our actions are shaped entirely by one or the other has been as scientifically discredited as phlogiston.
Oh, I agree with you that nature vs. nurture is a false dichotomy, but I was actually cheered to see this exchange. As terrible as it is by our epistemic standards, it’s actually quite sophisticated by Star Trek standards. (So much of what gets called science fiction is actually technology fantasy.) I was similarly cheered to see the other exchange that I posted from that episode: he actually used the word hypothesis! Real philosophy of science! On Voyager! I love it! Best episode ever!
And you can see how this is still a rationality quote despite the conceptual confusion. Janeway is trying to break through Harren’s contempt, but Harren resists her cliches and insists on (what he erroneously thinks is) accuracy.
So which of the two characters exemplifies rationalist virtues? It seems to me we’ve got one who’s trying to use clichés to “break through” to the other, and one who’s just stubbornly wrong.
...this was fiction! Star Trek moreover. Do not expect realism!