This is probably too obvious to write, but I’m going to say it anyway. It’s my short form, and approximately no-one reads short forms. Or so I’m told.
Human value formation is to a large part steered by other humans suggesting value systems for you. You get some hard to interpret reward signal from your brainstem, or something. There are lots of “hypothesis” for the “correct reward function” you should learn.
(Quotation marks because there are no ground through for what values you should have. But this is mathematically equivalent to a learning the true statistic generating the data, from a finite number of data points. Also, there is maybe some ground truth of what the brainstem rewards, or maybe not. According to Steve the there is this loop, where when the brainstem don’t know if things are good or not, it just mirror back cortex’s own opinion to the cortex.)
To locate the hypothesis, you listen to other humans. I make this claim not just for moral values, but for personal preferences. Maybe someone suggest to you “candy is tasty” and since this seems to fit with your observation, no you also like candy. This is a bad example since for taste specifically the brainstem has pretty clear opinions. Except there is acquired taste… so maybe not a terrible example.
Another example: You join a hobby. You notice you like being at the hobby place doing the hobby thing. Your hobby fired says (i.e. offer the hypothesis) “this hobby is great”. This seems to fit your data so now you believe you like the hobby. And because you believe you like the hobby, you end up actually liking the hobby because of a self reinforcing loop. Although this don’t always work. Maybe after some time your friends quit the hobby and this makes it less fun, and you realise (change your hypothesis) that you manly liked the hobby for the people.
Maybe there is a ground truth about what we want for ourselves? I.e. we can end up with wrong beliefs about what we want due to pear pressure, commercials, etc. But with enough observation we will notice what it is we actually want.
Clearly humans are not 100% malleable, but also, it seems like even our personal preferences are path dependent (i.e. pick up lasting influences from our environment). So maybe some annoying mix...
I disagree. That humans learn values primarily via teaching. 1) parenting is known to have little effect on children’s character—which is one way of saying their values. 2) while children learn to follow rules teens are good at figuring out what is in their interest.
I think it makes sense to pose argue the point though.
For example I think that proposing rules makes it more probable that the brain converges on these solutions.
1) parenting is known to have little effect on children’s character
This is not counter evidence to my claim. The value framework a child learns about from their parents is just one of many value frameworks they hear about from many, many people. My claim is that the power lies in noticing the hypothesis at all. Which ideas you get told more times (e.g. by your parents) don’t matter.
As far as I know, what culture you are in very much influences your values, which my claim would predict.
2) while children learn to follow rules teens are good at figuring out what is in their interest.
This is probably too obvious to write, but I’m going to say it anyway. It’s my short form, and approximately no-one reads short forms. Or so I’m told.
Human value formation is to a large part steered by other humans suggesting value systems for you. You get some hard to interpret reward signal from your brainstem, or something. There are lots of “hypothesis” for the “correct reward function” you should learn.
(Quotation marks because there are no ground through for what values you should have. But this is mathematically equivalent to a learning the true statistic generating the data, from a finite number of data points. Also, there is maybe some ground truth of what the brainstem rewards, or maybe not. According to Steve the there is this loop, where when the brainstem don’t know if things are good or not, it just mirror back cortex’s own opinion to the cortex.)
To locate the hypothesis, you listen to other humans. I make this claim not just for moral values, but for personal preferences. Maybe someone suggest to you “candy is tasty” and since this seems to fit with your observation, no you also like candy. This is a bad example since for taste specifically the brainstem has pretty clear opinions. Except there is acquired taste… so maybe not a terrible example.
Another example: You join a hobby. You notice you like being at the hobby place doing the hobby thing. Your hobby fired says (i.e. offer the hypothesis) “this hobby is great”. This seems to fit your data so now you believe you like the hobby. And because you believe you like the hobby, you end up actually liking the hobby because of a self reinforcing loop. Although this don’t always work. Maybe after some time your friends quit the hobby and this makes it less fun, and you realise (change your hypothesis) that you manly liked the hobby for the people.
Maybe there is a ground truth about what we want for ourselves? I.e. we can end up with wrong beliefs about what we want due to pear pressure, commercials, etc. But with enough observation we will notice what it is we actually want.
Clearly humans are not 100% malleable, but also, it seems like even our personal preferences are path dependent (i.e. pick up lasting influences from our environment). So maybe some annoying mix...
Somebody is reading shortforms...
I disagree. That humans learn values primarily via teaching. 1) parenting is known to have little effect on children’s character—which is one way of saying their values. 2) while children learn to follow rules teens are good at figuring out what is in their interest.
I think it makes sense to pose argue the point though.
For example I think that proposing rules makes it more probable that the brain converges on these solutions.
This is not counter evidence to my claim. The value framework a child learns about from their parents is just one of many value frameworks they hear about from many, many people. My claim is that the power lies in noticing the hypothesis at all. Which ideas you get told more times (e.g. by your parents) don’t matter.
As far as I know, what culture you are in very much influences your values, which my claim would predict.
I’m not making any claims about rule following.