I suppose I could simplify this to “There are layers of status seeking. So it’s very easy to think you aren’t making a Status0 play, because you are making a Status1 play, and this can recurse easily to Status2, Status3, or Status4 without conscious awareness.”
Erg. That sounds really insane. Which is bizarre, because although it sounds insane when I actually say it, my brain normally handles it without too much self awareness, and could go back to doing so if I wasn’t specifically trying to analyze it in the context of this discussion.
FWIW, that sense of “this sounds insane when I say it explicitly but feels natural if I don’t think about it” is an experience I often have when I am becoming aware of my real motives and they turn out to conflict with preconceived ideas I have about myself or the world. Usually, either the awareness or the preconceived ideas tend to fade away pretty quickly. (I endorse the latter far more than the former.)
Except, pjeby essentially said that “But if you were a truly good person, you would acknowledge that you were a status seeking hypocrite.”
Uh, no. That is so far off from what I said that it’s not even on the same planet.
See, “good” and “hypocrite” are just more status labels. ;-)
What I was saying is, if you acknowledge your actual goals, you might have a better chance of sorting out conflicts in them. Nowhere does labeling yourself (or the goals) good or bad come into it. In fact, in the discussion on solutions, I explicitly pointed out that getting rid of such labels is often quite useful.
And I most definitely did not label anyone’s goals hypocritical or advise them to aspire to goodness. In fact, I said that the original questioner’s behavior may well have been optimal, given their apparent goals, provided that they didn’t think too much about it.
In much the same way that your comment would’ve been more workable for you, had you not thought too deeply about it. ;-)
In much the same way that your comment would’ve been more workable for you, had you not thought too deeply about it. ;-)
Upon additionaI retrospection, (and after lunch) I agree. I’ll edit those down to the more workable parts.
Since there doesn’t appear to be a way to do partial strikethrough, I guess I can just save the removed/incomplete parts in a text file if for some reason anyone really wants to know the original in the near future.
...but not edit.
(Edited after comment from pjeby for brevity.)
I suppose I could simplify this to “There are layers of status seeking. So it’s very easy to think you aren’t making a Status0 play, because you are making a Status1 play, and this can recurse easily to Status2, Status3, or Status4 without conscious awareness.”
FWIW, that sense of “this sounds insane when I say it explicitly but feels natural if I don’t think about it” is an experience I often have when I am becoming aware of my real motives and they turn out to conflict with preconceived ideas I have about myself or the world. Usually, either the awareness or the preconceived ideas tend to fade away pretty quickly. (I endorse the latter far more than the former.)
Uh, no. That is so far off from what I said that it’s not even on the same planet.
See, “good” and “hypocrite” are just more status labels. ;-)
What I was saying is, if you acknowledge your actual goals, you might have a better chance of sorting out conflicts in them. Nowhere does labeling yourself (or the goals) good or bad come into it. In fact, in the discussion on solutions, I explicitly pointed out that getting rid of such labels is often quite useful.
And I most definitely did not label anyone’s goals hypocritical or advise them to aspire to goodness. In fact, I said that the original questioner’s behavior may well have been optimal, given their apparent goals, provided that they didn’t think too much about it.
In much the same way that your comment would’ve been more workable for you, had you not thought too deeply about it. ;-)
Upon additionaI retrospection, (and after lunch) I agree. I’ll edit those down to the more workable parts.
Since there doesn’t appear to be a way to do partial strikethrough, I guess I can just save the removed/incomplete parts in a text file if for some reason anyone really wants to know the original in the near future.