Sorry if I’ve been overly argumentative, our posts and the karma points do not express the sentiment that our actual beliefs are actually probably really close. Again, I was mostly just annoyed about that list of side effects.
My cavalier use of a random non-authoritative source was certainly asking for trouble. When I have that much contempt for a subject I am almost always better off not commenting.
Thanks for answering my earlier question, especially about the psilocybin study. That is really interesting. Also thanks for the NIH study links, though I hope you realize that claiming there are long-term side effects from a small amount of marijuana use is a very controversial claim.
I would confidently bet on the results of an experiment on a single use of marijuana vs a single use of psilocybin vs a control, all under positive and controlled circumstances. After three months had passed I would expect no difference between the marijuana group and the control group. I would expect positive improvement in the reported wellbeing and life satisfaction of the psilocybin group.
And I would confidently bet that you’d find increased well-being for both the marijuana and psilocybin groups after only one use. I may be biased because I personally experienced increased well-being for months after my first use of marijuana. A pity we can’t actually do the experiment.
When I have that much contempt for a subject I am almost always better off not commenting.
No, I do appreciate your comments, even though that list wasn’t exactly authoritative. I’m curious why you have so much contempt for marijuana: personal experience, or those NIH studies about psychosis?
though I hope you realize that claiming there are long-term side effects from a small amount of marijuana use is a very controversial claim.
I wouldn’t claim that a small amount of marijuana use would have have significant effects. It would have minor effects. I would it in the ballpark of ‘going a week without exercise’ in terms of neurological impact. It would be extremely controversial to claim that frequent marijuana use does no damage, which is something I presume is mere common knowledge.
And I would confidently bet that you’d find increased well-being for both the marijuana and psilocybin groups after only one use.
You’re on. Although I’ve adjusted my prediction slightly based on your anecdotal report. I had never heard someone report such an affect from a one time use of pot.
A pity we can’t actually do the experiment.
Absolutely. This is the sort of thing that warrants far more attention. SSRIs aren’t without side effects, some of which are significant. Given that there is potential for once of treatments of psilocybin and (your hypothesis) cannabis having long term effects they should certainly at least be investigated further.
I’m curious why you have so much contempt for marijuana
Contempt only for the belief that it does not come with a well known potential cost to mental health. As for actual use I don’t have all that much contempt, except in the sense that I have contempt for diets high in processed carbohydrates.
personal experience, or those NIH studies about psychosis?
Most of the people I know who use pot have not done so to the extent that I could reliably say that they have damaged themselves, given that they began use before I met them. I don’t know any outright abusers of the stuff. Alcohol tends to be the preferred drug of abuse in my usual circles. The effects are arguably worse, at least in some areas. Like liver damage, for example. Even more so, on the physical side, if the cannabis is not smoked, with the associated wear on the lungs. It’s all about the brownies. ;)
I have a strong sense that these points of view must assume that complex and otherwise inaccessible trains of thought are not worth very much in and of themselves. I wonder then, what your criteria for worthwhile experiences or ideas is. And then I realize, with some disappointment, that there will always be a chasm between what individuals find privately valuable, and what collectives can respectably find publically valuable.
Sorry if I’ve been overly argumentative, our posts and the karma points do not express the sentiment that our actual beliefs are actually probably really close. Again, I was mostly just annoyed about that list of side effects.
My cavalier use of a random non-authoritative source was certainly asking for trouble. When I have that much contempt for a subject I am almost always better off not commenting.
Thanks for answering my earlier question, especially about the psilocybin study. That is really interesting. Also thanks for the NIH study links, though I hope you realize that claiming there are long-term side effects from a small amount of marijuana use is a very controversial claim.
And I would confidently bet that you’d find increased well-being for both the marijuana and psilocybin groups after only one use. I may be biased because I personally experienced increased well-being for months after my first use of marijuana. A pity we can’t actually do the experiment.
No, I do appreciate your comments, even though that list wasn’t exactly authoritative. I’m curious why you have so much contempt for marijuana: personal experience, or those NIH studies about psychosis?
I wouldn’t claim that a small amount of marijuana use would have have significant effects. It would have minor effects. I would it in the ballpark of ‘going a week without exercise’ in terms of neurological impact. It would be extremely controversial to claim that frequent marijuana use does no damage, which is something I presume is mere common knowledge.
You’re on. Although I’ve adjusted my prediction slightly based on your anecdotal report. I had never heard someone report such an affect from a one time use of pot.
Absolutely. This is the sort of thing that warrants far more attention. SSRIs aren’t without side effects, some of which are significant. Given that there is potential for once of treatments of psilocybin and (your hypothesis) cannabis having long term effects they should certainly at least be investigated further.
Contempt only for the belief that it does not come with a well known potential cost to mental health. As for actual use I don’t have all that much contempt, except in the sense that I have contempt for diets high in processed carbohydrates.
Most of the people I know who use pot have not done so to the extent that I could reliably say that they have damaged themselves, given that they began use before I met them. I don’t know any outright abusers of the stuff. Alcohol tends to be the preferred drug of abuse in my usual circles. The effects are arguably worse, at least in some areas. Like liver damage, for example. Even more so, on the physical side, if the cannabis is not smoked, with the associated wear on the lungs. It’s all about the brownies. ;)
I’m totally stealing this as a reason to disapprove of pot.
I have a strong sense that these points of view must assume that complex and otherwise inaccessible trains of thought are not worth very much in and of themselves. I wonder then, what your criteria for worthwhile experiences or ideas is. And then I realize, with some disappointment, that there will always be a chasm between what individuals find privately valuable, and what collectives can respectably find publically valuable.
Have you been smoking? Or do I need to? I’m confused. :P