You yourself just said that you’ve updated on your beliefs due to things you’ve heard here. Ergo, the person that went back to church wouldn’t be the same person that was there before you quit. Now that you have additional information about HOW to not be so stupid, it will be harder to accept the fact that SO MANY people seem like they are intentionally clinging to obviously false beliefs.
They’re still the same, you’re the one who’s different now. You should only “blame” LessWrong’s memes if you would, given the chance, undo that learning. Do you really wish that you hadn’t learned what you’ve learned here?
You yourself just said that you’ve updated on your beliefs due to things you’ve heard here.
I’m not entirely sure that it’s beliefs I’ve updated on. Yeah, my attitude has changed since I started spending a lot of time on LW, but I was already an atheist before, too.
I don’t mean beliefs in a strictly religious sense (I didn’t think that’s how it’s usually used here, either), but your attitude might have changed due to your deeper understanding of human psychology/biology. Then again, I’m not following you around with a notepad. So you think that you haven’t learned anything useful from LessWrong?
I have learned things, and I guess they make it easier in some ways to understand how and why people can be wrong. I have definitely learned a lot of useful things, but I don’t find that ‘being annoyed by religious people’ is a useful thing to have learned.
Which is why I was pointing out that “being annoyed by religious people” is a side-effect of the learning, not a behavior that you purposely adopted. I’ve had similar struggles myself.
There are probably other social groups that dovetail your goals as well or better than the church, but sad to say, that group meetup you attended is not one of them.
Just because I value something after modification, and would not choose to undo the modification if I could, does not mean the modifying agent is not blameworthy for the modification.
You yourself just said that you’ve updated on your beliefs due to things you’ve heard here. Ergo, the person that went back to church wouldn’t be the same person that was there before you quit. Now that you have additional information about HOW to not be so stupid, it will be harder to accept the fact that SO MANY people seem like they are intentionally clinging to obviously false beliefs.
They’re still the same, you’re the one who’s different now. You should only “blame” LessWrong’s memes if you would, given the chance, undo that learning. Do you really wish that you hadn’t learned what you’ve learned here?
I’m not entirely sure that it’s beliefs I’ve updated on. Yeah, my attitude has changed since I started spending a lot of time on LW, but I was already an atheist before, too.
I don’t mean beliefs in a strictly religious sense (I didn’t think that’s how it’s usually used here, either), but your attitude might have changed due to your deeper understanding of human psychology/biology. Then again, I’m not following you around with a notepad. So you think that you haven’t learned anything useful from LessWrong?
I have learned things, and I guess they make it easier in some ways to understand how and why people can be wrong. I have definitely learned a lot of useful things, but I don’t find that ‘being annoyed by religious people’ is a useful thing to have learned.
Which is why I was pointing out that “being annoyed by religious people” is a side-effect of the learning, not a behavior that you purposely adopted. I’ve had similar struggles myself.
There are probably other social groups that dovetail your goals as well or better than the church, but sad to say, that group meetup you attended is not one of them.
Just because I value something after modification, and would not choose to undo the modification if I could, does not mean the modifying agent is not blameworthy for the modification.