Really? This very day, someone said FAIL to me, I admitted it, and I’m still alive and healthy. I’ve already lived through an arguer’s worst nightmare, and it doesn’t seem to have harmed me much.
Speaking for myself, I find it very unpleasant to be on the receiving end of crowing. Hence I have a much easier time admitting mistakes to people I particularly trust not to crow. (One of the nice things about LW is that there isn’t much crowing here, which makes mind-changing and fessing up easier. I’d definitely like to keep it that way.)
There’s a really easy trick for conceding a debate without being crowed at. The trick is to admit that you were wrong, concisely explain the change you’ve made to your beliefs, and warmly thank the other person for taking the time to help you become correct about this. Even if they were a bit of a dick in the debate itself. Don’t declare defeat; declare a mutual victory of truth.
Anybody who can crow about your defeat after that is a huge asshole, and furthermore this should be obvious to anybody watching.
(This trick also makes you feel better about changing your mind, because you’ve reclassified it as a victory. I’ve had a much easier time conceding debates ever since I adopted this habit and mindset.)
Although according to Robin Hansen, low status significantly reduces life expectancy, so presumably every time someone crows, your life expectancy goes down by some amount.
Really? This very day, someone said FAIL to me, I admitted it, and I’m still alive and healthy. I’ve already lived through an arguer’s worst nightmare, and it doesn’t seem to have harmed me much.
Other people are different.
Speaking for myself, I find it very unpleasant to be on the receiving end of crowing. Hence I have a much easier time admitting mistakes to people I particularly trust not to crow. (One of the nice things about LW is that there isn’t much crowing here, which makes mind-changing and fessing up easier. I’d definitely like to keep it that way.)
There’s a really easy trick for conceding a debate without being crowed at. The trick is to admit that you were wrong, concisely explain the change you’ve made to your beliefs, and warmly thank the other person for taking the time to help you become correct about this. Even if they were a bit of a dick in the debate itself. Don’t declare defeat; declare a mutual victory of truth.
Anybody who can crow about your defeat after that is a huge asshole, and furthermore this should be obvious to anybody watching.
(This trick also makes you feel better about changing your mind, because you’ve reclassified it as a victory. I’ve had a much easier time conceding debates ever since I adopted this habit and mindset.)
I wasn’t born different, AFAIK. I’ve been training myself.
Though you know, even in the absence of training, I think a considerable majority of people wouldn’t actually drop dead.
Although according to Robin Hansen, low status significantly reduces life expectancy, so presumably every time someone crows, your life expectancy goes down by some amount.
On the other hand, maybe your IQ goes up a few points.
http://www.overcomingbias.com/2007/12/heroic-job-bias.html
does not sound like a healthy response to me. (I’m not disputing the truth of the claim.)
This does seem like a healthy response to me.
Neener neener neener, Eliezer was wroooong!
(the wroooong has to stretch across two syllables to fit the meter)
Now all we need is a fanperson to compile every single time Eliezer has been wrong on the internet. :D