I’d really prefer not to. I’ve made a point of conducting all of my Wikipedia business on the wiki itself, and similarly for mailing lists. There seems to be only one person downvoting you in this thread, and that’s easy enough for me to cancel out.
The karma is only a secondary concern. It bothers me more than I would like it to that I am seen as suddenly and inexplicably turning irrational whenever stuff about -isms comes up. This is germane here in particular since to continue this conversation, I’d have to talk about (gasp) feeeeeeeeelings.
The comment that claimed you turn irrational has zero karma. My response that it was an ungenerous interpretation is +2. So I’m not sure you should conclude that a significant number of people see you as turning uniquely irrational, but obviously there is no need for you to say anything you don’t want to.
I don’t think it’s that many people (although I got the same reaction over the gender kerfluffle; it’s not just this one-time thing). But it’s enough to make me uncomfortable.
What’s inexplicable about it? We all turn at least somewhat irrational whenever stuff about -isms comes up. It’s human nature. Politics is the mind killer and all. That’s why discussion of contemporary politics is discouraged here, or at least was last I heard.
Okay, perhaps I’m seen as explicably losing my mind. That’s not a whole lot better. I don’t like to have conversations with people who start out presuming me insane, even if they have a lovely narrative about exactly how it happened.
You’re entitled to your emotional reactions, up to and including stonewalling unfavored commenters, but I see this behavior as a blatant self-defense mechanism for your beliefs. Likewise a theist could reject LW’s arguments for atheism because oooh those evil people say I’m crazy and it’s making me uncomfortable.
I don’t think I’d characterize calling one’s interlocutor crazy as “evil” so much as “mean”. I wouldn’t expect my theist friends to want to talk to me—about anything, really, much less religion—if I started out presuming them insane because they disagree with me! For the same reason, I don’t blame the theists I know from steering clear of this site. It’s a hostile environment for them, and they have no reason to enter any hostile environment, including this one. Similarly, I have precious little interest in having nonessential exchanges with or near people who have announced their intention to be mean to me. Calling it a “self-defense mechanism” looks like you think I need some reason to refrain from having conversations with or around you and those who agree with you, apart from predicting that they’ll be unfun.
I’d really prefer not to. I’ve made a point of conducting all of my Wikipedia business on the wiki itself, and similarly for mailing lists. There seems to be only one person downvoting you in this thread, and that’s easy enough for me to cancel out.
The karma is only a secondary concern. It bothers me more than I would like it to that I am seen as suddenly and inexplicably turning irrational whenever stuff about -isms comes up. This is germane here in particular since to continue this conversation, I’d have to talk about (gasp) feeeeeeeeelings.
The comment that claimed you turn irrational has zero karma. My response that it was an ungenerous interpretation is +2. So I’m not sure you should conclude that a significant number of people see you as turning uniquely irrational, but obviously there is no need for you to say anything you don’t want to.
I don’t think it’s that many people (although I got the same reaction over the gender kerfluffle; it’s not just this one-time thing). But it’s enough to make me uncomfortable.
What’s inexplicable about it? We all turn at least somewhat irrational whenever stuff about -isms comes up. It’s human nature. Politics is the mind killer and all. That’s why discussion of contemporary politics is discouraged here, or at least was last I heard.
Okay, perhaps I’m seen as explicably losing my mind. That’s not a whole lot better. I don’t like to have conversations with people who start out presuming me insane, even if they have a lovely narrative about exactly how it happened.
You’re entitled to your emotional reactions, up to and including stonewalling unfavored commenters, but I see this behavior as a blatant self-defense mechanism for your beliefs. Likewise a theist could reject LW’s arguments for atheism because oooh those evil people say I’m crazy and it’s making me uncomfortable.
I don’t think I’d characterize calling one’s interlocutor crazy as “evil” so much as “mean”. I wouldn’t expect my theist friends to want to talk to me—about anything, really, much less religion—if I started out presuming them insane because they disagree with me! For the same reason, I don’t blame the theists I know from steering clear of this site. It’s a hostile environment for them, and they have no reason to enter any hostile environment, including this one. Similarly, I have precious little interest in having nonessential exchanges with or near people who have announced their intention to be mean to me. Calling it a “self-defense mechanism” looks like you think I need some reason to refrain from having conversations with or around you and those who agree with you, apart from predicting that they’ll be unfun.
Indeed, categorizing one’s enemies as “insane” seems like a bad epistemic move—a bit closer to deciding they’re evil mutants.