“This post assumes the perspective that more people having more children is good, actually. I will not be engaging with any of the arguments against this, of any quality, whether they be ‘AI or climate change is going to kill everyone’ or ‘people are bad actually,’ other than to state here that I strongly disagree.”
Does anyone of you have an idea where I can find arguments related to or a more detailed discussion about this disagreement (with respect to AI or maybe other global catastrophic risks; this is not a question about how bad climate change is)?
Look up anti-natalism, and the Voluntary Human Extinction Movement. And random idiots everywhere saying “well maybe we all deserve to die”, “the earth would be better off without us”, “evolution made a huge mistake in inventing consciousness”, etc.
No, I just threw that in. But there is the VHEM, and apparently serious people who argue for anti-natalism.
Short of those, there are also advocates for “degrowth”.
I suspect the reason that Zvi declined to engage with such arguments is that he thinks they’re too batshit insane to be worth giving house room, but these are a few terms to search for.
I appreciate that you posted a response to my question. However, I assume there is some misunderstanding here.
Zvi notes that he will not “be engaging with any of the arguments against this, of any quality” (which suggests that there are also good or relevant arguments). Zvi includes the statement that “AI is going to kill everyone”, and notes that he “strongly disagrees”.
As I asked for “arguments related to or a more detailed discussion” of these issues, you mention some people you call “random idiots” and state that their arguments are “batshit insane”. It thus seems like a waste of time trying to find arguments relevant to my question based on these keywords.
So I wonder: was your answer actually meant to be helpful?
In Fertility Rate Roundup #1, Zvi wrote
Does anyone of you have an idea where I can find arguments related to or a more detailed discussion about this disagreement (with respect to AI or maybe other global catastrophic risks; this is not a question about how bad climate change is)?
Look up anti-natalism, and the Voluntary Human Extinction Movement. And random idiots everywhere saying “well maybe we all deserve to die”, “the earth would be better off without us”, “evolution made a huge mistake in inventing consciousness”, etc.
So you think that looking up “random idiots” helps me find “arguments related to or a more detailed discussion about this disagreement”?
No, I just threw that in. But there is the VHEM, and apparently serious people who argue for anti-natalism.
Short of those, there are also advocates for “degrowth”.
I suspect the reason that Zvi declined to engage with such arguments is that he thinks they’re too batshit insane to be worth giving house room, but these are a few terms to search for.
I appreciate that you posted a response to my question. However, I assume there is some misunderstanding here.
Zvi notes that he will not “be engaging with any of the arguments against this, of any quality” (which suggests that there are also good or relevant arguments). Zvi includes the statement that “AI is going to kill everyone”, and notes that he “strongly disagrees”.
As I asked for “arguments related to or a more detailed discussion” of these issues, you mention some people you call “random idiots” and state that their arguments are “batshit insane”. It thus seems like a waste of time trying to find arguments relevant to my question based on these keywords.
So I wonder: was your answer actually meant to be helpful?