I have the feeling that this article mistakenly assumes that if you do research in an academic blindspot and find something there’s a way to contribute that knowledge into academia.
MIRI work would be an example. You have a bunch of very smart people doing research but the resulting research doesn’t really fit into an existing scientific discipline and thus it’s hard to publish. MIRI doesn’t isn’t even doing research in a taboo subject where it would be even harder to get ideas into academia.
If you look nearer to psychology you might take research like Steve Andreas work on self concept. Many people in our community found it practically useful and yet it doesn’t find it’s way into academic psychology. And Steve Andreas wasn’t opposed to academia as seen by his work to contribute to running proper trials for the NLP fast phobia cure.
You wouldn’t have got this at all from what I wrote but, we are definitely not saying that it will be easy to integrate “blind spot” research into academia or that it will happen overnight. A significant portion of the paper is spent providing examples of amateur psychology work (from the past and the present, we reference some of the work on LW), discussing why it is difficult to integrate this knowledge into modern academia, how academia might benefit from doing so, and how we might actually accomplish this over the long run. Certainly we are under no illusions that academics will wake up to all of the valuable intellectual work that happens outside of the confines of academia, but maybe at the very least they will become a little more aware of the limitations of their own work and the value that can be added by engaging with these outsiders.
When it comes to actually producing valuable work I think it’s important to distinguish amateur work from non-academic work. Academia is not the only knowledge community nor the only professional one. For many questions in the psychological domain I don’t think they are even the people with the most insight. A while ago I was reading Roy Baumeister’s Willpower and the sillyness that went into the reasoning around the nature of willpower was amazing.
Take a paragraph like:
There are also some subjects that may be inherently difficult to study because they require considerable domain-specific knowledge (e.g., high-level athletic performance, hunting or survival skills, extensive meditation practice) which a professional researcher is unlikely to have. Collaboration with amateurs who have special knowledge or abilities could provide unique insights into these areas.
Let’s apply that to the Willpower discourse. There are plenty of people outside of academia that spent a lot of time in practice to motivate themselves and others. Some people even have 24⁄7 glucose monitors. They problem wasn’t that there weren’t experts with special knowledge that could have told people like Roy Baumeister that they weren’t on the right track but that there was little interest to talk to anyone who understands the subject and more interest in p-hacking.
If you see a discourse like this and see the academic blindspots there’s little you can do as an outsider.
If you actually want to create valuable knowledge you have to think about for what the goal of your inquiry is. Do you want to gain knowledge for yourself to act better? Do you want to produce it as part of a knowledge community?
There’s certainly a lot in the blind spots in academia but a lot of it will neither be of value to yourself nor of a knowledge community that you want to contribute to.
I have the feeling that this article mistakenly assumes that if you do research in an academic blindspot and find something there’s a way to contribute that knowledge into academia.
MIRI work would be an example. You have a bunch of very smart people doing research but the resulting research doesn’t really fit into an existing scientific discipline and thus it’s hard to publish. MIRI doesn’t isn’t even doing research in a taboo subject where it would be even harder to get ideas into academia.
If you look nearer to psychology you might take research like Steve Andreas work on self concept. Many people in our community found it practically useful and yet it doesn’t find it’s way into academic psychology. And Steve Andreas wasn’t opposed to academia as seen by his work to contribute to running proper trials for the NLP fast phobia cure.
You wouldn’t have got this at all from what I wrote but, we are definitely not saying that it will be easy to integrate “blind spot” research into academia or that it will happen overnight. A significant portion of the paper is spent providing examples of amateur psychology work (from the past and the present, we reference some of the work on LW), discussing why it is difficult to integrate this knowledge into modern academia, how academia might benefit from doing so, and how we might actually accomplish this over the long run. Certainly we are under no illusions that academics will wake up to all of the valuable intellectual work that happens outside of the confines of academia, but maybe at the very least they will become a little more aware of the limitations of their own work and the value that can be added by engaging with these outsiders.
When it comes to actually producing valuable work I think it’s important to distinguish amateur work from non-academic work. Academia is not the only knowledge community nor the only professional one. For many questions in the psychological domain I don’t think they are even the people with the most insight. A while ago I was reading Roy Baumeister’s Willpower and the sillyness that went into the reasoning around the nature of willpower was amazing.
Take a paragraph like:
Let’s apply that to the Willpower discourse. There are plenty of people outside of academia that spent a lot of time in practice to motivate themselves and others. Some people even have 24⁄7 glucose monitors. They problem wasn’t that there weren’t experts with special knowledge that could have told people like Roy Baumeister that they weren’t on the right track but that there was little interest to talk to anyone who understands the subject and more interest in p-hacking.
If you see a discourse like this and see the academic blindspots there’s little you can do as an outsider.
If you actually want to create valuable knowledge you have to think about for what the goal of your inquiry is. Do you want to gain knowledge for yourself to act better? Do you want to produce it as part of a knowledge community?
There’s certainly a lot in the blind spots in academia but a lot of it will neither be of value to yourself nor of a knowledge community that you want to contribute to.