Agree there as well. The only general point I want to transmit is, I personally try to suck all commonly-used political wording out of my phrasings regardless of which subgroup of opinion I’m describing, and I find that this avoids activating shortcuts in people’s reasoning that skip past the useful higher-level thinking I want to engage. I claim others will also find this effective at making political discussions go better; it doesn’t require never speaking of a group, it just requires creative thinking to name the group using a currently-unused name every time. (It also tends to be annoying effort, so I wouldn’t prescribe talking this way.)
(often, this forces me to describe a pattern rather than naming a specific group currently exhibiting the pattern; if we disagree on who exhibits the pattern how much, then we disagree, but it doesn’t mean asserting it’s not more common in some groups than others; it just means referring to the groups by-the-handle-of the behavior pattern itself. this allows people to include themselves in or exclude themselves from the behavior-pattern-selected group according to whether they agree with the behavior pattern, rather than whether they agree with the group known for exhibiting it.)
Both-siding is often pragmatically useful, but sometimes we need to be able to step outside of this.
Agree there as well. The only general point I want to transmit is, I personally try to suck all commonly-used political wording out of my phrasings regardless of which subgroup of opinion I’m describing, and I find that this avoids activating shortcuts in people’s reasoning that skip past the useful higher-level thinking I want to engage. I claim others will also find this effective at making political discussions go better; it doesn’t require never speaking of a group, it just requires creative thinking to name the group using a currently-unused name every time. (It also tends to be annoying effort, so I wouldn’t prescribe talking this way.)
(often, this forces me to describe a pattern rather than naming a specific group currently exhibiting the pattern; if we disagree on who exhibits the pattern how much, then we disagree, but it doesn’t mean asserting it’s not more common in some groups than others; it just means referring to the groups by-the-handle-of the behavior pattern itself. this allows people to include themselves in or exclude themselves from the behavior-pattern-selected group according to whether they agree with the behavior pattern, rather than whether they agree with the group known for exhibiting it.)