But still it seems that empirically, the tide turning on Twitter hasn’t yet resulted in the tide turning anywhere else, e.g. for the three intellectual groups I mentioned above. Non-intellectual niches like advertising and Hollywood also haven’t become less woke/”woke” as far as I can tell.
It is plausible that something like this will happen in the future, because the current state (Overton window on Twitter being very different than on other social networks) doesn’t seem to constitute an equilibrium. Another possibility would be for Twitter to “fall from grace” and become a website that is shunned by the mainstream and treated like e.g. 4chan.
Slight disagreement. I think the Overton window on twitter being very different from the window elsewhere can actually be a stable long-lasting equilibrium. The window is already different with different groups of people in real life, the sorts of things people say online have been quite different from what they would say in person for a long time. Its also very different in different online communities already. On a computer game discord server I am in new joiners often say things that break the sever rules (which they clearly did not read) and seem to be genuinely shocked by rules that seem (to me) very basic.
I think one difference is that on Twitter it is now possible to talk about highly taboo statistical data. When people hear about this, they don’t forget it for contexts where it is outside the Overton window to mention them.
It is maybe like in the 16th century, one country (like the Netherlands) allows discussing whether God exists (or, somewhat weaker, whether or not God is a person). As a consequence, people outside the Netherlands still can’t speak about this, but they may have read some of the debates published in the Netherlands, debates which previously didn’t exist at all, and that may well influence what they believe. Which in turn can over time erode the Overton window on discussing God’s ontological status.
What I see as important is how many content creators are on Twitter. This is how these ideas proliferate out. The most progressive groups of society will be the last places where we’ll see a shift, partly due to preference falsification.
But still it seems that empirically, the tide turning on Twitter hasn’t yet resulted in the tide turning anywhere else, e.g. for the three intellectual groups I mentioned above. Non-intellectual niches like advertising and Hollywood also haven’t become less woke/”woke” as far as I can tell.
It is plausible that something like this will happen in the future, because the current state (Overton window on Twitter being very different than on other social networks) doesn’t seem to constitute an equilibrium. Another possibility would be for Twitter to “fall from grace” and become a website that is shunned by the mainstream and treated like e.g. 4chan.
Slight disagreement. I think the Overton window on twitter being very different from the window elsewhere can actually be a stable long-lasting equilibrium. The window is already different with different groups of people in real life, the sorts of things people say online have been quite different from what they would say in person for a long time. Its also very different in different online communities already. On a computer game discord server I am in new joiners often say things that break the sever rules (which they clearly did not read) and seem to be genuinely shocked by rules that seem (to me) very basic.
I think one difference is that on Twitter it is now possible to talk about highly taboo statistical data. When people hear about this, they don’t forget it for contexts where it is outside the Overton window to mention them.
It is maybe like in the 16th century, one country (like the Netherlands) allows discussing whether God exists (or, somewhat weaker, whether or not God is a person). As a consequence, people outside the Netherlands still can’t speak about this, but they may have read some of the debates published in the Netherlands, debates which previously didn’t exist at all, and that may well influence what they believe. Which in turn can over time erode the Overton window on discussing God’s ontological status.
What I see as important is how many content creators are on Twitter. This is how these ideas proliferate out. The most progressive groups of society will be the last places where we’ll see a shift, partly due to preference falsification.