I think there might be something similar going in the group optimism bias vs individual, but that this depends somewhat on whether you accept the multi-agent model of mind.
In this case, I don’t think so. In the parable, each vassal individually wants to maintain a positive impression. Additionally, vassals coordinate with each other to praise and not criticize each other (developing social norms such as almost always claiming things are going well). These are both serving the goal of each vassal maintaining a positive impression.
I think I’m asking the same question of Said of, “how is this the same phenomenon as someone saying “I’m fine”, if not relying on [something akin to] the multi-agent model of mind? Otherwise it looks like it’s built out of quite different parts, even if they have some metaphorical similarities.
I am claiming something like a difference between implicit beliefs (which drive actions) and explicit narratives (which drive speech), and claiming that the explicit narratives are biased towards thinking things are going well.
This difference could be implemented through a combination of self-deception and other-deception. So it could result in people having explicit beliefs that are too optimistic, or explicitly lying in ways that result in the things said being too optimistic. (Self-deception might be considered an instance of a multi-agent theory of mind, but I don’t think it has to be; the explicit beliefs may be a construct rather than an agent)
Hmm, okay that makes sense. [I think there might be other models for what’s going on here but agree that this model is plausible and doesn’t require the multi-agent model]
I think there might be something similar going in the group optimism bias vs individual, but that this depends somewhat on whether you accept the multi-agent model of mind.
In this case, I don’t think so. In the parable, each vassal individually wants to maintain a positive impression. Additionally, vassals coordinate with each other to praise and not criticize each other (developing social norms such as almost always claiming things are going well). These are both serving the goal of each vassal maintaining a positive impression.
I think I’m asking the same question of Said of, “how is this the same phenomenon as someone saying “I’m fine”, if not relying on [something akin to] the multi-agent model of mind? Otherwise it looks like it’s built out of quite different parts, even if they have some metaphorical similarities.
I am claiming something like a difference between implicit beliefs (which drive actions) and explicit narratives (which drive speech), and claiming that the explicit narratives are biased towards thinking things are going well.
This difference could be implemented through a combination of self-deception and other-deception. So it could result in people having explicit beliefs that are too optimistic, or explicitly lying in ways that result in the things said being too optimistic. (Self-deception might be considered an instance of a multi-agent theory of mind, but I don’t think it has to be; the explicit beliefs may be a construct rather than an agent)
Hmm, okay that makes sense. [I think there might be other models for what’s going on here but agree that this model is plausible and doesn’t require the multi-agent model]