Expand? I’m not sure why you think that, but it’s entirely possible that I’m just failing to notice something.
I am confused (perhaps?). One is a codified norm—the sort of thing that people will link to or cite. Another is an individual (but common) expectation that a given punch was a suboptimal move and somewhat of an indicator of undesired traits. They just seem… entirely different to me. ie. One is highly unpleasant and the other is blatantly obvious.
I’m still lost. We write things down and link to them and cite them all the time; I don’t see why you think that’s bad in this case. It does add the implication that the cited norm is generally agreed on, but if we’ve talked the norms over and only listed ones where that’s the case that doesn’t seem likely to be a problem—and, even in that case, citing a listed norm only seems to me to carry about equivalent conversational weight to someone posting “[behavior] is normal here; you should have expected it” and getting upvoted in agreement a couple of times. Plus, it gives new people an opportunity to learn those norms more quickly, and also allows us to explicitly not count certain things as norms even if they’re common habits, if they’re things we want to allow anyway.
There is some context that might be notable, here: Alicorn and I happen to have been working on a house norms list for the last several days, since we decided to offer CronoDAS the opportunity to come stay with us for a while. That’s been going quite well, and appears to have several advantages over a house rule list—the flexibility mentioned above is one, and the fact that norms can semi-contradict each other in ways that rules mostly can’t is another, for example. So I have some positive affect built up around the concept, where I suspect that you have some negative affect around it because of how the concept came up here.
Huh. You probably have even more experience with it than I do, then. What about that experience makes you think it won’t work here, since it’s apparently something you find useful enough at home (given that you ‘do’, rather than ‘have done’)?
There is a difference between thinking that on average punching people in the face is a dumbass move and codifying a norm to the effect.
Expand? I’m not sure why you think that, but it’s entirely possible that I’m just failing to notice something.
I am confused (perhaps?). One is a codified norm—the sort of thing that people will link to or cite. Another is an individual (but common) expectation that a given punch was a suboptimal move and somewhat of an indicator of undesired traits. They just seem… entirely different to me. ie. One is highly unpleasant and the other is blatantly obvious.
I’m still lost. We write things down and link to them and cite them all the time; I don’t see why you think that’s bad in this case. It does add the implication that the cited norm is generally agreed on, but if we’ve talked the norms over and only listed ones where that’s the case that doesn’t seem likely to be a problem—and, even in that case, citing a listed norm only seems to me to carry about equivalent conversational weight to someone posting “[behavior] is normal here; you should have expected it” and getting upvoted in agreement a couple of times. Plus, it gives new people an opportunity to learn those norms more quickly, and also allows us to explicitly not count certain things as norms even if they’re common habits, if they’re things we want to allow anyway.
There is some context that might be notable, here: Alicorn and I happen to have been working on a house norms list for the last several days, since we decided to offer CronoDAS the opportunity to come stay with us for a while. That’s been going quite well, and appears to have several advantages over a house rule list—the flexibility mentioned above is one, and the fact that norms can semi-contradict each other in ways that rules mostly can’t is another, for example. So I have some positive affect built up around the concept, where I suspect that you have some negative affect around it because of how the concept came up here.
That is something that I do when I live in shared accommodation as well.
Huh. You probably have even more experience with it than I do, then. What about that experience makes you think it won’t work here, since it’s apparently something you find useful enough at home (given that you ‘do’, rather than ‘have done’)?