Well, hopeless relative to the hopes that some people had at that time. For example, from Wikipedia:
BD+ played a pivotal role in the format war of Blu-ray and HD DVD. Several studios cited Blu-ray Disc’s adoption of the BD+ anti-copying system as the reason they supported Blu-ray Disc over HD DVD. The copy protection scheme was to take “10 years” to crack, according to Richard Doherty, an analyst with Envisioneering Group.
and
The first titles using BD+ were released in October 2007. Since November 2007, versions of BD+ protection have been circumvented by various versions of the AnyDVD HD program.[
DRM is not very effective at protecting static targets—such as a large installed base of identical DVD players—where one crack can compromise all the content. It’s rather better at protecting content which is more dynamic—such as software—where each game can ship with its own type of polymorphic DRM.
Despite a massive base of installed readers, Kindle DRM has been somewhat effective—despite being cracked. Much content that people are prepared to pay for has not, in practice, been ripped yet.
Much content that people are prepared to pay for has not, in practice, been ripped yet.
Evidence, numbers? (This is my second request for evidence and numbers.) There’s a long tail of books available for Kindle that have approximately no readers.
People buy stuff because they think they should and it’s easy to, not because of DRM. (This was the surprise for the record industry that the iTunes model actually worked—they had previously been creating terrible music stores that didn’t work just for the purpose of creating evidence that filesharing was costing them actual money.)
“In theory” is a bit of a slippery term, since all encryption can be cracked in theory. Apart from that, DRM is possible in practice, if you can completely control the hardware. Once you’re allowed to hook any TV you want into your DVD player, uncrackable DRM goes out the window, because the player has to supply the TV with unencrypted video. The other way DRM can work is if users aren’t viewing all of the content, and there’s a way to require external credentials. For instance, people can be forced to buy separate copies of Diablo III if they want to play on BattleNet.
No, that’s an entirely valid point and I even suggest you were in error when you conceded. If two individuals have enough private mutual information theory allows them encryption that can not be cracked.
A one-time pad has to be transmitted, too. MITM will crack it.
A one-time pad that needs to be transmitted can be violated by MITM. But if the relevant private mutual information is already shared or is shared directly without encryption then the encryption they use to communicate is not (in theory required to be) crackable. Since the claim was that “all encryption can be cracked in theory” it is not enough for some cases to be crackable, all must be.
“In theory” is a bit of a slippery term, since all encryption can be cracked in theory.
This is what we call The Fallacy of Gray. There is a rather clear difference between the possibility of brute forcing 1024 bit encryption and the utter absurdity of considering a DRMed multimedia file ‘secure’ when I could violate it using a smartphone with a video camera (and lossless proof-of-concept violations are as simple as realising that vmware exists.)
DRM effectiveness has been studied—to some extent. Apple, Amazon, Microsoft, Sony, Nintendo, Samsung, Toshiba, Google, etc aren’t just deploying it on a whim.
They’re deploying it because the content companies demanded it. This is why, e.g., the iTunes Store started with DRM and dropped it as soon as possible.
Your cited paper takes as an assumption that DRM works, and so is not evidence that DRM works.
They’re deploying it because the content companies demanded it.
Er, and why do you think that was? This really isn’t helping your argument.
Your cited paper takes as an assumption that DRM works, and so is not evidence that DRM works.
It concludes by saying: “DRM is a valuable technological deterrent to piracy, and can improve a seller’s profitability substantially”. If you don’t class that as evidence that DRM works, perhaps you should review your concept of what counts as “evidence”.
DRM technology is quite widely deployed. It also stops lots of copying. So: your comments about it being “hopeless” seem a bit strange to me.
Well, hopeless relative to the hopes that some people had at that time. For example, from Wikipedia:
and
DRM is not very effective at protecting static targets—such as a large installed base of identical DVD players—where one crack can compromise all the content. It’s rather better at protecting content which is more dynamic—such as software—where each game can ship with its own type of polymorphic DRM.
Despite a massive base of installed readers, Kindle DRM has been somewhat effective—despite being cracked. Much content that people are prepared to pay for has not, in practice, been ripped yet.
Evidence, numbers? (This is my second request for evidence and numbers.) There’s a long tail of books available for Kindle that have approximately no readers.
People buy stuff because they think they should and it’s easy to, not because of DRM. (This was the surprise for the record industry that the iTunes model actually worked—they had previously been creating terrible music stores that didn’t work just for the purpose of creating evidence that filesharing was costing them actual money.)
(a) Numbers?
(b) What’s your evidence that it makes a damn bit of difference? What people want to copy, they do copy.
DRM is sold as security from copying. It has failed utterly, because such security is impossible in theory, and has turned out impossible in practice.
“In theory” is a bit of a slippery term, since all encryption can be cracked in theory. Apart from that, DRM is possible in practice, if you can completely control the hardware. Once you’re allowed to hook any TV you want into your DVD player, uncrackable DRM goes out the window, because the player has to supply the TV with unencrypted video. The other way DRM can work is if users aren’t viewing all of the content, and there’s a way to require external credentials. For instance, people can be forced to buy separate copies of Diablo III if they want to play on BattleNet.
Is it too pedantic to mention one-time pads?
No, that’s an entirely valid point and I even suggest you were in error when you conceded. If two individuals have enough private mutual information theory allows them encryption that can not be cracked.
A one-time pad has to be transmitted, too. MITM will crack it.
A one-time pad that needs to be transmitted can be violated by MITM. But if the relevant private mutual information is already shared or is shared directly without encryption then the encryption they use to communicate is not (in theory required to be) crackable. Since the claim was that “all encryption can be cracked in theory” it is not enough for some cases to be crackable, all must be.
Fair enough—I was out-pedanted!
This is what we call The Fallacy of Gray. There is a rather clear difference between the possibility of brute forcing 1024 bit encryption and the utter absurdity of considering a DRMed multimedia file ‘secure’ when I could violate it using a smartphone with a video camera (and lossless proof-of-concept violations are as simple as realising that vmware exists.)
DRM effectiveness has been studied—to some extent. Apple, Amazon, Microsoft, Sony, Nintendo, Samsung, Toshiba, Google, etc aren’t just deploying it on a whim.
For an example of work in this area, see: Arun Sundararajan’s Managing Digital Piracy: Pricing and Protection.
They’re deploying it because the content companies demanded it. This is why, e.g., the iTunes Store started with DRM and dropped it as soon as possible.
Your cited paper takes as an assumption that DRM works, and so is not evidence that DRM works.
You still haven’t provided the requested numbers.
Er, and why do you think that was? This really isn’t helping your argument.
It concludes by saying: “DRM is a valuable technological deterrent to piracy, and can improve a seller’s profitability substantially”. If you don’t class that as evidence that DRM works, perhaps you should review your concept of what counts as “evidence”.