How about the possibility that you do not understand it and that they are not silly? Do you think it could be serious enough to have nightmares about it and to censor it as far as possible, but that you simply don’t get it? How likely is that possibility?
Why would you even ask me that? Clearly I have considered the possibility (given that I am not a three year old) and equally clearly me answering you would not make much sense. :)
But the questioning of trusting people’s nightmares is an interesting one. I tend to be of the mind that if someone has that much of an anxiety problem prompted by a simple abstract thought then it is best to see that they receive the appropriate medication and therapy. After that has been taken care of I may consider their advice.
Why would you even ask me that? Clearly I have considered the possibility...
I wasn’t quite sure. I don’t know how to conclude that they are silly and you are not. I’m not just talking about Nesov but also Yudkowsky. You concluded that they are all wrong about their risk estimations and act silly. Yudkowsky explicitly stated that he does know more. But you conclude that they don’t know more, that they are silly.
I tend to be of the mind that if someone has that much of an anxiety problem prompted by a simple abstract thought then it is best to see that they receive the appropriate medication and therapy after that consider their advice.
Yes, I commented before saying that it is not the right move to truncate your child’s bed so that monsters won’t fit under it but rather explain that it is very unlikely for monsters to hide under the bed.
I wasn’t quite sure. I don’t know how to conclude that they are silly and you are not.
You can’t. Given the information you have available it would be a mistake for you to make such a conclusion. Particularly given that I have not even presented arguments or reasoning on the core of the subject, what, with the censorship and all. :)
Yudkowsky explicitly stated that he does know more.
Indeed. Which means that not taking his word for it constitutes disrespect.
Yes, I commented before saying that it is not the right move to truncate your child’s bed so that monsters won’t fit under it but rather explain that it is very unlikely for monsters to hide under the bed.
Once the child grows up a bit you can go on to explain to them that even though there are monsters out in the world being hysterical doesn’t help either in detecting monsters or fighting them. :)
As I noted, it’s a trolley problem: you have the bad alternative of doing nothing, and then there’s the alternative of doing something that may be better and may be worse. This case observably came out worse, and that should have been trivially predictable by anyone who’d been on the net a few years.
So the thinking involved in the decision, and the ongoing attempts at suppression, admits of investigation.
But yes, it could all be a plot to get as many people as possible thinking really hard about the “forbidden” idea, with this being such an important goal as to be worth throwing LW’s intellectual integrity in front of the trolley for.
How about the possibility that you do not understand it and that they are not silly? Do you think it could be serious enough to have nightmares about it and to censor it as far as possible, but that you simply don’t get it? How likely is that possibility?
Why would you even ask me that? Clearly I have considered the possibility (given that I am not a three year old) and equally clearly me answering you would not make much sense. :)
But the questioning of trusting people’s nightmares is an interesting one. I tend to be of the mind that if someone has that much of an anxiety problem prompted by a simple abstract thought then it is best to see that they receive the appropriate medication and therapy. After that has been taken care of I may consider their advice.
I wasn’t quite sure. I don’t know how to conclude that they are silly and you are not. I’m not just talking about Nesov but also Yudkowsky. You concluded that they are all wrong about their risk estimations and act silly. Yudkowsky explicitly stated that he does know more. But you conclude that they don’t know more, that they are silly.
Yes, I commented before saying that it is not the right move to truncate your child’s bed so that monsters won’t fit under it but rather explain that it is very unlikely for monsters to hide under the bed.
You can’t. Given the information you have available it would be a mistake for you to make such a conclusion. Particularly given that I have not even presented arguments or reasoning on the core of the subject, what, with the censorship and all. :)
Indeed. Which means that not taking his word for it constitutes disrespect.
Once the child grows up a bit you can go on to explain to them that even though there are monsters out in the world being hysterical doesn’t help either in detecting monsters or fighting them. :)
As I noted, it’s a trolley problem: you have the bad alternative of doing nothing, and then there’s the alternative of doing something that may be better and may be worse. This case observably came out worse, and that should have been trivially predictable by anyone who’d been on the net a few years.
So the thinking involved in the decision, and the ongoing attempts at suppression, admits of investigation.
But yes, it could all be a plot to get as many people as possible thinking really hard about the “forbidden” idea, with this being such an important goal as to be worth throwing LW’s intellectual integrity in front of the trolley for.