And with enough epicycles you can fit the motion of planets with geocentricism. If MOND supporters can dismiss Bullet Cluster they’ll dismiss any future evidence, too.
I just explained why (without more specific theories of in exactly what way the gravity would become delocalized from the visible mass) the bullet cluster is not evidence one way or the other.
Now, you compare the extra fields of modified gravity to epicycles—as in, post-hoc complications grafted on to a theory to explain a particular phenomenon. But these extra fields are, to the best of my understanding, not grafted on to explain such delocalization; they’re the actual basic content of the modified gravity theories and necessary to obtain a workable theory at all. MOND by itself, after all, is not a theory of gravity; the problem then is making one compatible with it, and every actual attempt at that that I’m aware of involves these extra fields, again, not as an epicycle for the bullet cluster, but as a way of constructing a workable theory at all. So, I don’t think that comparison is apt here.
One could perhaps say that such theories are epicycles upon MOND—since the timeline may go MOND, then bullet cluster, then proper modified gravity theories—but for the reasons above I don’t think that makes a lot of sense either.
If this was some post-hoc epicycle then your comment would make some sense; but as it is, I don’t think it does. Is there some reason that I’m missing that it should be regarded as a post-hoc epicycle?
Note that Hossenfelder herself says modified gravity is probably not correct! It’s still important to understand what is or is not a valid argument against it. The other arguments for dark matter sure seem pretty compelling!
(Also, uh, I don’t think “People who think X are just closed-minded and clearly not open to persuasion” is generally not the sort of charity we try to go for here on LW...? I didn’t downvote you but, like, accusing people of being closed-minded rather than actually arguing is on the path to becoming similarly close-minded oneself, you know?)
And with enough epicycles you can fit the motion of planets with geocentricism. If MOND supporters can dismiss Bullet Cluster they’ll dismiss any future evidence, too.
I just explained why (without more specific theories of in exactly what way the gravity would become delocalized from the visible mass) the bullet cluster is not evidence one way or the other.
Now, you compare the extra fields of modified gravity to epicycles—as in, post-hoc complications grafted on to a theory to explain a particular phenomenon. But these extra fields are, to the best of my understanding, not grafted on to explain such delocalization; they’re the actual basic content of the modified gravity theories and necessary to obtain a workable theory at all. MOND by itself, after all, is not a theory of gravity; the problem then is making one compatible with it, and every actual attempt at that that I’m aware of involves these extra fields, again, not as an epicycle for the bullet cluster, but as a way of constructing a workable theory at all. So, I don’t think that comparison is apt here.
One could perhaps say that such theories are epicycles upon MOND—since the timeline may go MOND, then bullet cluster, then proper modified gravity theories—but for the reasons above I don’t think that makes a lot of sense either.
If this was some post-hoc epicycle then your comment would make some sense; but as it is, I don’t think it does. Is there some reason that I’m missing that it should be regarded as a post-hoc epicycle?
Note that Hossenfelder herself says modified gravity is probably not correct! It’s still important to understand what is or is not a valid argument against it. The other arguments for dark matter sure seem pretty compelling!
(Also, uh, I don’t think “People who think X are just closed-minded and clearly not open to persuasion” is generally not the sort of charity we try to go for here on LW...? I didn’t downvote you but, like, accusing people of being closed-minded rather than actually arguing is on the path to becoming similarly close-minded oneself, you know?)