I think Alibaba has not made any crazy developments yet. So let’s consider DeepSeek. I think almost nobody had heard of DeepSeek before v3. Before v3, predicting strong AI progress in China would probably sound like “some AI lab in China will appear from nowhere and do something great. I don’t know who or what or when or where, but it will happen soon.” That was roughly my opinion, at least in my memory. Maybe making that kind of prediction does not match the tastes of people who are good at predicting things? Awfully vague claim to make I guess.
There was time between v3 and r1 where folks could have more loudly commented DeepSeek was ascendant. What would this have accomplished? I suppose it would have shown some commitment to truth and awareness of reality. I am guessing people who are against the international AI race are a bit lazy to point out stuff that would accelerate the race. I guess at some point the facts can’t be avoided.
Cope. Leadership in AI has been an explicit policy goal since “Made in China 2025”. The predictions were that “the CCP prioritizes stability”, and “the CCP prioritizes censorship” and “China is behind in AI”. Are you willing to admit that these are all demonstrably untrue as of today? Let’s start there.
Here’s an article from 2018(!) in the South China Morning Post.
“Artificial intelligence (AI) has come to occupy an important role in Beijing’s ‘Made in China 2025’ blueprint. China wants to become a global leader in the field by 2030 and now has an edge in terms of academic papers, patents and both cross-border and global AI funding.
The fact you were ignorant or dismissive of their strategy is independent of the fact they a) stated the goal publicly, and b) are now in the lead.
I think Alibaba has not made any crazy developments yet. So let’s consider DeepSeek. I think almost nobody had heard of DeepSeek before v3. Before v3, predicting strong AI progress in China would probably sound like “some AI lab in China will appear from nowhere and do something great. I don’t know who or what or when or where, but it will happen soon.” That was roughly my opinion, at least in my memory. Maybe making that kind of prediction does not match the tastes of people who are good at predicting things? Awfully vague claim to make I guess.
There was time between v3 and r1 where folks could have more loudly commented DeepSeek was ascendant. What would this have accomplished? I suppose it would have shown some commitment to truth and awareness of reality. I am guessing people who are against the international AI race are a bit lazy to point out stuff that would accelerate the race. I guess at some point the facts can’t be avoided.
Cope. Leadership in AI has been an explicit policy goal since “Made in China 2025”. The predictions were that “the CCP prioritizes stability”, and “the CCP prioritizes censorship” and “China is behind in AI”. Are you willing to admit that these are all demonstrably untrue as of today? Let’s start there.
Here’s an article from 2018(!) in the South China Morning Post.
“Artificial intelligence (AI) has come to occupy an important role in Beijing’s ‘Made in China 2025’ blueprint. China wants to become a global leader in the field by 2030 and now has an edge in terms of academic papers, patents and both cross-border and global AI funding.
The fact you were ignorant or dismissive of their strategy is independent of the fact they a) stated the goal publicly, and b) are now in the lead.
https://multimedia.scmp.com/news/china/article/2166148/china-2025-artificial-intelligence/index.html