Regarding the second half,
We did some experiments with cold water in ears in SIAI house last Summer. Discovered a) that there was a much simpler explanation than the apologist and the revolutionary for the phenomenon discussed in that post, and b) that we should do more experiments/be more empirical, as they really do yield info out of proportion to the time required to do them if you don’t feel obliged to write them up as papers and go through the rituals of modern science.
The cold water interferes with proprioception. You cease to directly perceive the arm through that modality and its apparent relationship to you so you are more receptive to other information which contradicts the hypothesis that it isn’t paralyzed. When you can trivially directly feel that you can move your arm and that it is doing what you want it to, if you aren’t very materialistic you don’t question why you want your arm to stay still when you have incentives to move it.
Talking about the apologist and the revolutionary. Someone, maybe Yvain, suggested this model to explain agnosognosia experiments but I did the experiments myself and saw a much simpler explanation after doing so.
Regarding the second half, We did some experiments with cold water in ears in SIAI house last Summer. Discovered a) that there was a much simpler explanation than the apologist and the revolutionary for the phenomenon discussed in that post, and b) that we should do more experiments/be more empirical, as they really do yield info out of proportion to the time required to do them if you don’t feel obliged to write them up as papers and go through the rituals of modern science.
You can’t just say there’s a simpler explanation and then not give it!
...Well, you can, but it’s rather cruel.
The cold water interferes with proprioception. You cease to directly perceive the arm through that modality and its apparent relationship to you so you are more receptive to other information which contradicts the hypothesis that it isn’t paralyzed. When you can trivially directly feel that you can move your arm and that it is doing what you want it to, if you aren’t very materialistic you don’t question why you want your arm to stay still when you have incentives to move it.
What are you talking about? How does this connect to the post?
Talking about the apologist and the revolutionary. Someone, maybe Yvain, suggested this model to explain agnosognosia experiments but I did the experiments myself and saw a much simpler explanation after doing so.
Michael’s referencing this other post linked from this post
So what did you find?