Gender-related Lesswrong threads have almost always been problematic, historically. However, in all honesty, the signal/noise ratio in this thread seems low, even when compared to others of its kind.
Can anyone here honestly state that they learned something from this thread?
Note: The question was not rhetorical. If anyone was helped, I would actually like to learn that they were helped.
Other note: I apologize for making the signal/noise ratio of this thread even worse by going meta.
Can anyone here honestly state that they learned something from this thread?
I would note that, even if true, we are unlikely to see replies of the form “I learned that I am creepy” or “I knew I am creepy, but from this thread I learned that LessWrong is aware of the problem and I’m unlikely to get away with it in meetings because people have named the problem and are aware of the importance of picking up on it.”
I was also pleasantly surprised to notice how little this thread was mindkilled.
As for something I learned, the distinction between individual interpretation of someone’s behavior as charismatic v. an individual’s social status within a group was made salient in a way that let me notice it. There’s several other things I can’t call to mind but which I’m pretty sure I did learn.
I think you may have misread the comment you are replying to. He said that this thread had a low signal to noise ratio, and expressed disbelief that anyone “honestly… learned something from this thread.”
Honestly, I might just be filtering out the noise at this point—or having recently worked out how to point out that a comment is noise in a certain way might be helping me consider noise more of a learning experience and less of a blank field.
If anyone was helped, I would actually like to learn that they were helped.
It would have been nice if, instead of just picking holes in my attempt at a TLDR summary, more people had instead proposed alternative one paragraph summaries of the advice within the links.
I think it would also have been helpful if there had been a bit more direct advice for someone in a LW meeting who is feeling creeped out, advice for someone in a LW meeting who notices someone else giving signs of feeling creeped out, and a show of visible support for the best such advice.
However this thread, so far, has not gone in that direction.
Gender-related Lesswrong threads have almost always been problematic, historically. However, in all honesty, the signal/noise ratio in this thread seems low, even when compared to others of its kind.
Can anyone here honestly state that they learned something from this thread?
Note: The question was not rhetorical. If anyone was helped, I would actually like to learn that they were helped. Other note: I apologize for making the signal/noise ratio of this thread even worse by going meta.
I would note that, even if true, we are unlikely to see replies of the form “I learned that I am creepy” or “I knew I am creepy, but from this thread I learned that LessWrong is aware of the problem and I’m unlikely to get away with it in meetings because people have named the problem and are aware of the importance of picking up on it.”
I was also pleasantly surprised to notice how little this thread was mindkilled.
As for something I learned, the distinction between individual interpretation of someone’s behavior as charismatic v. an individual’s social status within a group was made salient in a way that let me notice it. There’s several other things I can’t call to mind but which I’m pretty sure I did learn.
I think you may have misread the comment you are replying to. He said that this thread had a low signal to noise ratio, and expressed disbelief that anyone “honestly… learned something from this thread.”
Thanks! I totally did misread the comment.
Honestly, I might just be filtering out the noise at this point—or having recently worked out how to point out that a comment is noise in a certain way might be helping me consider noise more of a learning experience and less of a blank field.
It would have been nice if, instead of just picking holes in my attempt at a TLDR summary, more people had instead proposed alternative one paragraph summaries of the advice within the links.
I think it would also have been helpful if there had been a bit more direct advice for someone in a LW meeting who is feeling creeped out, advice for someone in a LW meeting who notices someone else giving signs of feeling creeped out, and a show of visible support for the best such advice.
However this thread, so far, has not gone in that direction.