Do you mean to suggest that a significant percentage of Medieval peasants in fact considered Kings to not be all that different from themselves as people, and that a significant percentage of Medieval Kings actually said that there but for the grace of God go they with respect to a poor peasant?
Or merely that it was in some sense easier for them to do so, even if that wasn’t actually demonstrated by their actions?
Do you mean to suggest that a significant percentage of Medieval peasants in fact considered Kings to not be all that different from themselves as people,
That sounds like something I’d keep to myself as a medieval peasant if I did believe it. As such it may be the sort of thing that said peasants would tend not to think.
(Who am I kidding? I’d totally say it. Then get killed. I love living in an environment where mistakes have less drastic consequences than execution. It allows for so much more learning from experience!)
Or merely that it was in some sense easier for them to do so, even if that wasn’t actually demonstrated by their actions?
The latter. The former is an empirical claim I’m not yet sure how we could properly resolve. But there are reasons to think it may have been true.
After all the King is a Christian and so am I. It is merely that God has placed a greater burden of responsibility on him and one of toil on me. We all have our own cross to carry.
I’d say you’re looking at the history of feudal hierarchy through rose-tinted glasses. People who are high in the instrumental hierarchy of decisions (like absolute rulers) also tend to gain a similarily high place in all other kinds of hierarchies (“moral”, etc) due to halo effect and such. The fact that social or at least moral egalitarianism logically follows from Christian ideals doesn’t mean that self-identified Christians will bother to apply it to their view of the tribe.
Remember, the English word ‘villain’ originally meant ‘peasant’/‘serf’. It sounds like a safe assumption to me that the peasants were treated as subhuman creatures by most people above them in station.
Remember, the English word ‘villain’ originally meant ‘peasant’/‘serf’. It sounds like a safe assumption to me that the peasants were treated as subhuman creatures by most people above them in station.
A yeoman was the lowest rank of landowner, one who worked his own land or his families land, in modern terminology a peasant farmer. A villain was a sharecropper, a farmer with no land of his own, semi free, more free than a serf, though not directly equivalent to the modern free laborer. Naturally yeomen had a strong vested interest in the rule of law, for they had much to lose and little to gain from the breakdown in the rule of law. Villains had little to gain, but less to lose. People acted in accordance with their interests, and so the word yeoman came to mean a man who uses force in a brave and honorable manner, in accordance with his duty and the law, and villain came to mean a man who uses force lawlessly, to rob and destroy.
It makes quite a bit of sense. Since incentives matter I would tend to agree.
Since I know about the past interactions you two have had here, I would appreciate you just focused on the argument cited not snipe at James’ other writings or character.
Do you mean to suggest that a significant percentage of Medieval peasants in fact considered Kings to not be all that different from themselves as people, and that a significant percentage of Medieval Kings actually said that there but for the grace of God go they with respect to a poor peasant?
Or merely that it was in some sense easier for them to do so, even if that wasn’t actually demonstrated by their actions?
That sounds like something I’d keep to myself as a medieval peasant if I did believe it. As such it may be the sort of thing that said peasants would tend not to think.
(Who am I kidding? I’d totally say it. Then get killed. I love living in an environment where mistakes have less drastic consequences than execution. It allows for so much more learning from experience!)
The latter. The former is an empirical claim I’m not yet sure how we could properly resolve. But there are reasons to think it may have been true.
After all the King is a Christian and so am I. It is merely that God has placed a greater burden of responsibility on him and one of toil on me. We all have our own cross to carry.
I’d say you’re looking at the history of feudal hierarchy through rose-tinted glasses. People who are high in the instrumental hierarchy of decisions (like absolute rulers) also tend to gain a similarily high place in all other kinds of hierarchies (“moral”, etc) due to halo effect and such. The fact that social or at least moral egalitarianism logically follows from Christian ideals doesn’t mean that self-identified Christians will bother to apply it to their view of the tribe.
Remember, the English word ‘villain’ originally meant ‘peasant’/‘serf’. It sounds like a safe assumption to me that the peasants were treated as subhuman creatures by most people above them in station.
James A. Donald disagrees.
It makes quite a bit of sense. Since incentives matter I would tend to agree.
Since I know about the past interactions you two have had here, I would appreciate you just focused on the argument cited not snipe at James’ other writings or character.
I’m curious what you thing more generally of the article you linked to? Specifically the notion of natural rights.
Someone thinks the usage originates from an upper-class belief that the lower class had lower standards of behavior.