-My school gym teacher once tried to tell me that there is literally no difference between boys and girls except for what’s between their legs. I have heard similar claims from gender studies classes. That counts as obviously false, surely?
It’s wrong on a biological level. From my physiology lecture: Woman blink twice as much as men. The have less water in their bodies.
-People should be allowed to do in their bedroom whatever they want as long as it doesn’t harm anyone. Is this contentious? It shouldn’t be.
So you are claiming either: “Children are no people” or “Pedophilia should be legal”. I don’t think any of those claims has societal approval let alone is a clear-cut issue.
But even if you switch the statement to the standard: “Consenting adults should be allowed to do in their bedroom whatever they want as long as it doesn’t harm anyone” The phrases consenting (can someone with >1.0 promille alcohol consent?) and harm (emotional harm exists and not going tested for STD’s and having unprotected sex has the potential to harm) are open to debate.
-A guy in college tried to convince me that literally any child could be raised to be Mozart. More generally, the whole “blank slate” notion where people claim that genes don’t matter at all.
The maximal effect of a strong cognitive intervention might very will bring the average person to Mozart levels. We know relatively little about doing strong intervention to improve human mental performance.
But genes to matter.
-Women should be allowed to apply for the same jobs as men. Surely even people who think that women are less intelligent than men on average should agree with this?
It depends on what roles. If a movie producer casts actors for a specific role, gender usually matters a big deal.
A bit more controversial but I think there are cases where it’s useful for men to come together in an environment where they don’t have to signal stuff to females.
So you are claiming either: “Children are no people” or “Pedophilia should be legal”. I don’t think any of those claims has societal approval let alone is a clear-cut issue.
I’d expect them to assert that paedophilia does harm. That’s the obvious resolution.
I’d expect them to assert that paedophilia does harm. That’s the obvious resolution.
Court are not supposed to investigate whether the child is emotionally harmed by the experience but whether he or she is under a certain age threshold.
You could certainly imagine a legal system where psychologists are always asked whether a given child is harmed by having sex instead of a legal system that makes the decision through an age criteria.
I think a more reasonable argument for the age boundary isn’t that every child gets harmed but that most get harmed and that having a law that forbids that behavior is preventing a lot of children from getting harmed.
I don’t think you are a bad person to arguing that we should have a system that focuses on the amount of harm done instead of focusing on an arbitrary age boundary but that’s not the system we have that’s backed by societal consensus.
We also don’t put anybody in prison for having sex with a 19-year old breaking her heart and watching as they commit suicide. We would judge a case like that as a tragedy but we wouldn’t legally charge the responsible person with anything.
The concept of consent is pretty important for our present system. Even in cases where no harm is done we take a breach of consent seriously.
Actually I’m under the impression that the ‘standard’ resolution is not about the “harm” part but about the “want” part
I think your impression is mistaken.
it’s assumed that people below a certain age can’t want sex, to the point that said age is called the age of consent
Nope. It is assumed that people below a certain age cannot give informed consent. In other words, they are assumed to be not capable of good decisions and to be not responsible for the consequences. What they want is irrelevant. If you’re below the appropriate age of consent, you cannot sign a valid contract, for example.
Below the age of consent you basically lack the legal capacity to agree to something.
So you are claiming either: “Children are no people” or “Pedophilia should be legal”. I don’t think any of those claims has societal approval let alone is a clear-cut issue.
Well, I suppose Sophronius could argue that pedophilia should be legal, after all many things (especially related to sex) that were once socially unacceptable are now considered normal.
I suppose Sophronius could argue that pedophilia should be legal
Even if he thinks that it should be legal, it’s no position where it’s likely that everyone will agree. Sophronius wanted to find examples where everyone can agree.
Really? Gives his history I think the answer is pretty clear that he’s not the kind of person who’s out to argue that legalizing pedophila is a clear cut issue.
He also said something about wanting to avoid the kind of controversy that causes downvoting.
It’s wrong on a biological level. From my physiology lecture: Woman blink twice as much as men. The have less water in their bodies.
So you are claiming either: “Children are no people” or “Pedophilia should be legal”. I don’t think any of those claims has societal approval let alone is a clear-cut issue.
But even if you switch the statement to the standard: “Consenting adults should be allowed to do in their bedroom whatever they want as long as it doesn’t harm anyone” The phrases consenting (can someone with >1.0 promille alcohol consent?) and harm (emotional harm exists and not going tested for STD’s and having unprotected sex has the potential to harm) are open to debate.
The maximal effect of a strong cognitive intervention might very will bring the average person to Mozart levels. We know relatively little about doing strong intervention to improve human mental performance.
But genes to matter.
It depends on what roles. If a movie producer casts actors for a specific role, gender usually matters a big deal.
A bit more controversial but I think there are cases where it’s useful for men to come together in an environment where they don’t have to signal stuff to females.
I’d expect them to assert that paedophilia does harm. That’s the obvious resolution.
Court are not supposed to investigate whether the child is emotionally harmed by the experience but whether he or she is under a certain age threshold. You could certainly imagine a legal system where psychologists are always asked whether a given child is harmed by having sex instead of a legal system that makes the decision through an age criteria.
I think a more reasonable argument for the age boundary isn’t that every child gets harmed but that most get harmed and that having a law that forbids that behavior is preventing a lot of children from getting harmed.
I don’t think you are a bad person to arguing that we should have a system that focuses on the amount of harm done instead of focusing on an arbitrary age boundary but that’s not the system we have that’s backed by societal consensus.
We also don’t put anybody in prison for having sex with a 19-year old breaking her heart and watching as they commit suicide. We would judge a case like that as a tragedy but we wouldn’t legally charge the responsible person with anything.
The concept of consent is pretty important for our present system. Even in cases where no harm is done we take a breach of consent seriously.
Actually I’m under the impression that the ‘standard’ resolution is not about the “harm” part but about the “want” part: it’s assumed that people below a certain age can’t want sex, to the point that said age is called the age of consent and sex with people younger than that is called a term which suggests it’s considered a subset of sex with people who don’t want it.
(I’m neither endorsing nor mocking this, just describing it.)
I think your impression is mistaken.
Nope. It is assumed that people below a certain age cannot give informed consent. In other words, they are assumed to be not capable of good decisions and to be not responsible for the consequences. What they want is irrelevant. If you’re below the appropriate age of consent, you cannot sign a valid contract, for example.
Below the age of consent you basically lack the legal capacity to agree to something.
I assumed “want” to mean ‘consent’ in that sentence.
That’s not what these words mean, not even close.
Well, I suppose Sophronius could argue that pedophilia should be legal, after all many things (especially related to sex) that were once socially unacceptable are now considered normal.
Even if he thinks that it should be legal, it’s no position where it’s likely that everyone will agree. Sophronius wanted to find examples where everyone can agree.
No, he was listing political, i.e., controversial, questions with clear cut answers. I don’t know what Sophronius considers clear cut.
Really? Gives his history I think the answer is pretty clear that he’s not the kind of person who’s out to argue that legalizing pedophila is a clear cut issue.
He also said something about wanting to avoid the kind of controversy that causes downvoting.