You’re using TVTropes here to generalize from fictional evidence. Normally you can apply this effectively to other works of fiction, but I think Methods is written largely with the aim of avoiding conventional ‘story-logic’ in favor of logic that could actually work in the real world.
I’m sorry? Dog-latin magic that runs on Aristotelian physics and enables non-Turing-computable time travel is “logic that could actually work in the real word”?
No matter how much Eliezer may want to avoid story-logic, to actually do it would require completely contradicting canon every other sentence. Logic that works in HP, even HPMOR, is not the same logic that works for us.
The fact that we as readers can divide the story into elements where we apply magic-logic and elements where we apply real-world-logic is exactly evidence that the story as a whole runs on story logic and TVTropes. Story logic allows such compartmentalization, because humans tend to think that way. Real world logic doesn’t.
Dog-latin magic that runs on Aristotelian physics and enables non-Turing-computable time travel is “logic that could actually work in the real world”?
No, it’s a set of premises which happen not to be true in the real world. Logic consists of starting with a set of premises and making conclusions. Obviously Harry Potter is going to arrive at different conclusions about his world, than we will arrive at about ours. That doesn’t mean that he is using a special kind of logic called “magic-logic”.
If you have to look along the shaft of an arrow from the wrong end, if a man has you entirely at his mercy, then hope like hell that man is an evil man. Because the evil like power, power over people, and they want to see you in fear. They want you to know you’re going to die. So they’ll talk. They’ll gloat. They’ll watch you squirm. They’ll put off the moment of murder like another man will put off a good cigar. So hope like hell your captor is an evil man. A good man will kill you with hardly a word.
Also, you are suggesting that Hermione was convinced that killing Draco was the right thing to do. That’s probably incorrect: she was described as saying she stunned Draco in a “fit of anger” and felt horrible afterward.
(The only reason I say “probably” is because the court Legilimens did, in fact, find her fantasizing about how she thought Draco might cause harm to her or Harry.)
Well, the non-fictional relevance of the quote is that it represents the views of the author, who may or may not be basing his opinion on fictional evidence.
Also, you are suggesting that Hermione was convinced that killing Draco was the right thing to do. That’s probably incorrect: she was described as saying she stunned Draco in a “fit of anger” and felt horrible afterward.
(The only reason I say “probably” is because the court Legilimens did, in fact, find her fantasizing about how she thought Draco might cause harm to her or Harry.)
Well, the non-fictional relevance of the quote is that it represents the views of the author,
Can we even assert as much? I think we just know that Terry Pratchett just thought it good for his book to speak this idea through the narrator. Probably because it lets him (rot13 spoilers for “Guards! Guards!”) unir Pneebg xvyy gur ivyynva dhvpxyl va pbyq oybbq, jvgubhg gur ernqrefuvc fhqqrayl srryvat nf vs gurl bhtug gb guvax gung ur’f n cflpubcnguvp zbafgre.
All the more reason to wonder what she’s capable of.
You’re using TVTropes here to generalize from fictional evidence. Normally you can apply this effectively to other works of fiction, but I think Methods is written largely with the aim of avoiding conventional ‘story-logic’ in favor of logic that could actually work in the real world.
I’m sorry? Dog-latin magic that runs on Aristotelian physics and enables non-Turing-computable time travel is “logic that could actually work in the real word”?
No matter how much Eliezer may want to avoid story-logic, to actually do it would require completely contradicting canon every other sentence. Logic that works in HP, even HPMOR, is not the same logic that works for us.
The fact that we as readers can divide the story into elements where we apply magic-logic and elements where we apply real-world-logic is exactly evidence that the story as a whole runs on story logic and TVTropes. Story logic allows such compartmentalization, because humans tend to think that way. Real world logic doesn’t.
No, it’s a set of premises which happen not to be true in the real world. Logic consists of starting with a set of premises and making conclusions. Obviously Harry Potter is going to arrive at different conclusions about his world, than we will arrive at about ours. That doesn’t mean that he is using a special kind of logic called “magic-logic”.
— Terry Pratchett, Men at Arms
That’s what happens when you convince a very kind and moral person that there’s someone who needs to be killed.
You’re still using entirely fictional evidence.
Also, you are suggesting that Hermione was convinced that killing Draco was the right thing to do. That’s probably incorrect: she was described as saying she stunned Draco in a “fit of anger” and felt horrible afterward.
(The only reason I say “probably” is because the court Legilimens did, in fact, find her fantasizing about how she thought Draco might cause harm to her or Harry.)
Well, the non-fictional relevance of the quote is that it represents the views of the author, who may or may not be basing his opinion on fictional evidence.
Yeah, you’re probably right about this.
Can we even assert as much? I think we just know that Terry Pratchett just thought it good for his book to speak this idea through the narrator. Probably because it lets him (rot13 spoilers for “Guards! Guards!”) unir Pneebg xvyy gur ivyynva dhvpxyl va pbyq oybbq, jvgubhg gur ernqrefuvc fhqqrayl srryvat nf vs gurl bhtug gb guvax gung ur’f n cflpubcnguvp zbafgre.
...even though appearances can be misleading, they’re usually not.
Although, Draco was beginning to realize, when he and Harry and Professor Quirrell had dismissed Miss Granger as having as much intent to kill as a bowl of wet grapes, they’d never seen her angry.