I’m just speaking for myself here, but if you say “don’t read Freud, read evolutionary psychology instead”, I know what you say, and I agree with you. If you just say “don’t read Freud”, we don’t have a communication, just an illusion of transparency.
That is a communication. It suggests that instead of reading Freud you do whatever other things in life that you like to do, including nothing. You can disagree with the communicated recommendation of not reading Freud without a suggested alternative but you cannot (correctly) claim that nothing has been communicated.
See my analogy—by suggesting that “instead of studying Wright brothers’ airplane do whatever other things you like to do, including nothing” something is communicated, but.… I guess I would say I agree denotationally, but I am unable to decipher the connotation, though I feel pretty sure there is one.
Human communication isn’t just about communicating, it is also about signalling; in this case signalling loyalty to some virtual tribe, also known as “mindkilling”.
Another analogy: If I said repeatedly “don’t ever bother listening to Obama”, and after requests for clarification I explained that I did not mean to express any political argument whatsoever, only completely neutrally and rationally suggested that “doing what you want, including nothing, will bring you more utilons that listening to Obama”, would you say that this manner of speach is acceptable by LW social norms?
but I am unable to decipher the connotation, though I feel pretty sure there is one.
That saying “reading Freud is a waste of time” is perfectly fine because reading Freud really is a waste of time (except for signalling affiliations). It isn’t required that a further statement also be made about which psychologist should be read instead. That is a separate piece of information that may also be communicated.
If you happen to disagree that reading Freud is a waste of time that still doesn’t make the claim not communication. It is communicating something that you disagree with and to say that it is “not communication” is just false.
Another analogy: If I said repeatedly “don’t ever bother listening to Obama”, and after requests for clarification I explained that I did not mean to express any political argument whatsoever, only completely neutrally and rationally suggested that “doing what you want, including nothing, will bring you more utilons that listening to Obama”, would you say that this manner of speach is acceptable by LW social norms?
People prefer talking about psychology than talking about politics here. If you chose an example that wasn’t so loaded then yes, I would say the general form was perfectly acceptable.
That is a communication. It suggests that instead of reading Freud you do whatever other things in life that you like to do, including nothing. You can disagree with the communicated recommendation of not reading Freud without a suggested alternative but you cannot (correctly) claim that nothing has been communicated.
See my analogy—by suggesting that “instead of studying Wright brothers’ airplane do whatever other things you like to do, including nothing” something is communicated, but.… I guess I would say I agree denotationally, but I am unable to decipher the connotation, though I feel pretty sure there is one.
Human communication isn’t just about communicating, it is also about signalling; in this case signalling loyalty to some virtual tribe, also known as “mindkilling”.
Another analogy: If I said repeatedly “don’t ever bother listening to Obama”, and after requests for clarification I explained that I did not mean to express any political argument whatsoever, only completely neutrally and rationally suggested that “doing what you want, including nothing, will bring you more utilons that listening to Obama”, would you say that this manner of speach is acceptable by LW social norms?
That saying “reading Freud is a waste of time” is perfectly fine because reading Freud really is a waste of time (except for signalling affiliations). It isn’t required that a further statement also be made about which psychologist should be read instead. That is a separate piece of information that may also be communicated.
If you happen to disagree that reading Freud is a waste of time that still doesn’t make the claim not communication. It is communicating something that you disagree with and to say that it is “not communication” is just false.
People prefer talking about psychology than talking about politics here. If you chose an example that wasn’t so loaded then yes, I would say the general form was perfectly acceptable.