But presumably the reason the CEO would be sad if people didn’t consider neural fireplaces to be fireplaces is because he wants to be leading a successful company that makes things people want, not a useless company with a useless product. Redefining words “in the map” doesn’t help achieve goals “in the territory”.
I see, I think this makes sense, but it depends on the CEO’s actual goals/values, right? What if the CEO wants to leverage his friendships to make money, and doesn’t mind people buying neural fireplaces partly or wholly out of care/sympathy for him? And everyone is (or most people are) happy to do this out of genuine care/sympathy for the CEO? In that case there is seemingly no deception involved, and redefining words “in the map” does help achieve goals “in the territory”.
Which of these two analogies is closer to the transgender situation involves empirical questions that I lack the knowledge to discuss. But it occurs to me that maybe your disagreement with Eliezer/Scott is based on you thinking that the first analogy is closer, and them thinking that the second analogy is closer? In other words, maybe they think that trans people would be happy enough with people treating them as their preferred sex/gender out of care/sympathy, and not necessarily “on the merits” in some way?
I see, I think this makes sense, but it depends on the CEO’s actual goals/values, right? What if the CEO wants to leverage his friendships to make money, and doesn’t mind people buying neural fireplaces partly or wholly out of care/sympathy for him? And everyone is (or most people are) happy to do this out of genuine care/sympathy for the CEO? In that case there is seemingly no deception involved, and redefining words “in the map” does help achieve goals “in the territory”.
Which of these two analogies is closer to the transgender situation involves empirical questions that I lack the knowledge to discuss. But it occurs to me that maybe your disagreement with Eliezer/Scott is based on you thinking that the first analogy is closer, and them thinking that the second analogy is closer? In other words, maybe they think that trans people would be happy enough with people treating them as their preferred sex/gender out of care/sympathy, and not necessarily “on the merits” in some way?