I am not everyone else, but the reason I downvoted on the second axis is because:
I still don’t really understand the avoidant/non-avoidant taxonomy. I am confused when avoidant is both “introverted… and prefer to be alone” while “avoidants… being disturbing to others” when Scott never intended to disturb Metz’s life? And Scott doesn’t owe anyone anything—avoidant or not. And the claim about Scott being low conscientious? Gwern being low conscientious? If it “varying from person to person” so much, is it even descriptive?
Making a claim of Gwern being avoidant, and Gwern said that Gwern is not. It might be the case that Gwern is lying. But that seems far stretched and not yet substantiated. But it seemed confusing enough that Gwern also couldn’t tell how wide the concept applies.
I still don’t really understand the avoidant/non-avoidant taxonomy. I am confused when avoidant is both “introverted… and prefer to be alone” while “avoidants… being disturbing to others” when Scott never intended to disturb Metz’s life?
The part about being disturbing wasn’t supposed to refer to Scott’s treatment of Cade Metz, it was supposed to refer to rationalist’s interests in taboo and disagreeable topics. And as for trying to be disturbing, I said that I think the non-avoidant people were being unfair in their characterization of them, as it’s not that simple and often it’s correction to genuine deception by non-avoidants.
And the claim about Scott being low conscientious? Gwern being low conscientious? If it “varying from person to person” so much, is it even descriptive?
My model is an affine transformation applied to Big Five scores, constrained to make the relationship from transformed scores to items linear rather than affine, and optimized to make people’s scores sparse.
This is rather technical, but the consequence is that my model is mathematically equivalent to a subspace of the Big Five, and the Big Five has similar issues where it can tend to lump different stuff together. Like one could just as well turn it around and say that the Big Five lumps my anxious and avoidant profiles together under the label of “introverted”. (Well, the Big Five has two more dimensions than my model does, so it lumps fewer things together, but other models have more dimensions than Big Five, so Big Five lumps things together relative to those model.)
My model is new, so I’m still experimenting with it to see how much utility I find in it. Maybe I’ll abandon it as I get bored and it stops giving results.
Making a claim of Gwern being avoidant, and Gwern said that Gwern is not. It might be the case that Gwern is lying. But that seems far stretched and not yet substantiated. But it seemed confusing enough that Gwern also couldn’t tell how wide the concept applies.
Gwern said that he’s not avoidant of journalists, but he’s low extraversion, low agreeableness, low neuroticism, high openness, mid conscientiousness, so that definitionally makes him avoidant under my personality model (which as mentioned is just an affine transformation of the Big Five). He also alludes to having schizoid personality disorder, which I think is relevant to being avoidant. As I said, this is a model of general personality profiles, not of interactions with journalists specifically.
I guess for reference, here’s a slightly more complete version of the personality taxonomy:
Normative: Happy, social, emotionally expressive. Respects authority and expects others to do so too.
Anxious: Afraid of speaking up, of breaking the rules, and of getting noticed. Tries to be alone as a result. Doesn’t trust that others mean well.
Wild: Parties, swears, and is emotionally unstable. Breaks rules and supports others (… in doing the same?)
Avoidant: Contrarian, intellectual, and secretive. Likes to be alone and doesn’t respect rules or cleanliness.
In practice people would be combinations of these archetypes, rather than purely being one of them. In some versions, the Normative type split into three:
Jockish: Parties and avoids intellectual topics.
Steadfast: Conservative yet patient and supportive.
Perfectionistic: Gets upset over other people’s mistakes and tries to take control as a result.
This would make it as fully expressive as the Big Five.
… but there was some mathematical trouble in getting it to be replicable and “nice” if I included 6 profiles, so I’m expecting to be stuck at 4 types unless I discover some new mathematical tricks.
I am not everyone else, but the reason I downvoted on the second axis is because:
I still don’t really understand the avoidant/non-avoidant taxonomy. I am confused when avoidant is both “introverted… and prefer to be alone” while “avoidants… being disturbing to others” when Scott never intended to disturb Metz’s life? And Scott doesn’t owe anyone anything—avoidant or not. And the claim about Scott being low conscientious? Gwern being low conscientious? If it “varying from person to person” so much, is it even descriptive?
Making a claim of Gwern being avoidant, and Gwern said that Gwern is not. It might be the case that Gwern is lying. But that seems far stretched and not yet substantiated. But it seemed confusing enough that Gwern also couldn’t tell how wide the concept applies.
The part about being disturbing wasn’t supposed to refer to Scott’s treatment of Cade Metz, it was supposed to refer to rationalist’s interests in taboo and disagreeable topics. And as for trying to be disturbing, I said that I think the non-avoidant people were being unfair in their characterization of them, as it’s not that simple and often it’s correction to genuine deception by non-avoidants.
My model is an affine transformation applied to Big Five scores, constrained to make the relationship from transformed scores to items linear rather than affine, and optimized to make people’s scores sparse.
This is rather technical, but the consequence is that my model is mathematically equivalent to a subspace of the Big Five, and the Big Five has similar issues where it can tend to lump different stuff together. Like one could just as well turn it around and say that the Big Five lumps my anxious and avoidant profiles together under the label of “introverted”. (Well, the Big Five has two more dimensions than my model does, so it lumps fewer things together, but other models have more dimensions than Big Five, so Big Five lumps things together relative to those model.)
My model is new, so I’m still experimenting with it to see how much utility I find in it. Maybe I’ll abandon it as I get bored and it stops giving results.
Gwern said that he’s not avoidant of journalists, but he’s low extraversion, low agreeableness, low neuroticism, high openness, mid conscientiousness, so that definitionally makes him avoidant under my personality model (which as mentioned is just an affine transformation of the Big Five). He also alludes to having schizoid personality disorder, which I think is relevant to being avoidant. As I said, this is a model of general personality profiles, not of interactions with journalists specifically.
I guess for reference, here’s a slightly more complete version of the personality taxonomy:
Normative: Happy, social, emotionally expressive. Respects authority and expects others to do so too.
Anxious: Afraid of speaking up, of breaking the rules, and of getting noticed. Tries to be alone as a result. Doesn’t trust that others mean well.
Wild: Parties, swears, and is emotionally unstable. Breaks rules and supports others (… in doing the same?)
Avoidant: Contrarian, intellectual, and secretive. Likes to be alone and doesn’t respect rules or cleanliness.
In practice people would be combinations of these archetypes, rather than purely being one of them. In some versions, the Normative type split into three:
Jockish: Parties and avoids intellectual topics.
Steadfast: Conservative yet patient and supportive.
Perfectionistic: Gets upset over other people’s mistakes and tries to take control as a result.
This would make it as fully expressive as the Big Five.
… but there was some mathematical trouble in getting it to be replicable and “nice” if I included 6 profiles, so I’m expecting to be stuck at 4 types unless I discover some new mathematical tricks.