I thought he just meant “criticism is good, actually; I like having it done to me so I’m going to do it to you”, and was saying that rationalists tend to feel this way.
I affirm Seth’s interpretation in the grandparent. Real-time conversation is hard; if I had been writing carefully rather than speaking extemporaneously, I probably would have managed to order the clauses correctly. (“A lot of people think criticism is bad, but one of the secret-lore-of-rationality things is that criticism is actually good.”)
I think some kinds of criticism are good and some are not. Criticizing you because I have some well-stated objection to your ideas is good. Criticizing you by saying “Zach posts in a place which contains fans of Adolf Hitler” is bad. Criticizing you by causing real-life problems to happen to you (i.e. analogous to doxing Scott) is also bad.
The “one of those” phrasing makes me think there was prior conversational context about this before the start of the interview. From my own prior knowledge of Zack, my guess is that it is a tragedy of the green rationalist type sentiment. But it doesn’t exactly fit.
I thought he just meant “criticism is good, actually; I like having it done to me so I’m going to do it to you”, and was saying that rationalists tend to feel this way.
Yeah, that would make sense to me, but the text does seem at least unclear on whether that’s what Zack did try to say (and seems good to clarify).
I affirm Seth’s interpretation in the grandparent. Real-time conversation is hard; if I had been writing carefully rather than speaking extemporaneously, I probably would have managed to order the clauses correctly. (“A lot of people think criticism is bad, but one of the secret-lore-of-rationality things is that criticism is actually good.”)
I think some kinds of criticism are good and some are not. Criticizing you because I have some well-stated objection to your ideas is good. Criticizing you by saying “Zach posts in a place which contains fans of Adolf Hitler” is bad. Criticizing you by causing real-life problems to happen to you (i.e. analogous to doxing Scott) is also bad.
Cool, makes sense. Transcript editing is hard, as I know from experience.
This may be an example of one of those things where the meaning is clearer in person, when assisted by tone and body language.
The “one of those” phrasing makes me think there was prior conversational context about this before the start of the interview. From my own prior knowledge of Zack, my guess is that it is a tragedy of the green rationalist type sentiment. But it doesn’t exactly fit.