He received testimony of people who have seen photos of the objects
So, I don’t think this is nearly enough proof. We only have a person who used to work for the UAP taskforce claiming that alien spaceships exist, because he was told so by some other people.
David Grusch also had a lot of documents as evidence that he gave the ICIG and Congress. Grusch himself has seen more than just oral evidence.
He also doesn’t seem to be the only one who talked to the ICIG. Christopher Mellon wrote:
Since AARO was established, I have referred four witnesses to them who claim to have knowledge of a secret U.S. government program involving the analysis and exploitation of materials recovered from off-world craft. Other sources who, rightly or wrongly do not trust AARO’s leadership, have also contacted me with additional details and information about an alleged secret U.S. government reverse engineering program. Some have supplied information to the intelligence community’s inspector general, others directly to staff of the congressional oversight committees.
Ross Coulthart who interviewed Grusch and from whose interview the existing NewsNation segment is speaks in another podcast about how he has other sources multiple sources who also tell him about the secret program (going back three years). The difference with Grusch is that he’s willing to speak publically.
Just to be clear, I think two questions are very different:
(1) Has anyone recovered alien spaceships/bodies/anything else?
(2) Is there a secret military program tasked with recovering such things?
If (2) is true, this may or may not be some democratic issue, or some institutional issue, something like this. Nonetheless, David Grusch is claiming both (1) and (2). The quotes you provide seem to point toward (2): there would be a secret program trying to recover alien stuff. They don’t say anything about whether the program has acquired anything.
It’s particularly interesting from 5:30: if I’m not misunderstanding him, he implies that they found extra-terrestrial bodies inside the landed/crashed vehicles, which makes me think this is deliberate misinformation. Why would an advanced entity, capable of traveling between stars, separate their body from their spacecraft? Not impossible, but encountering this evidence is much more likely imo if they are crafting a story from common memes about aliens rather than reporting something actually real.
He gave an extremely roundabout answer to that question, and the reporter did not follow up on it, which makes me think it was either a misleading cut or he was caught up in the interview. He doesn’t mention this would-be much stronger evidence in the original article either.
Obviously the idea that the government has alien bodies is ridiculous and if he doesn’t walk that back later it’s definitely a hoax.
Why would an advanced entity, capable of traveling between stars, separate their body from their spacecraft?
It could be an advanced entity that evolved here on Earth and isn’t capable of traveling between stars, perhaps a member of an ancient civilization that predates humanity.
Remember, “alien” and “extraterrestrial” are not necessarily synonymous.
There’s an interview with David Grusch on NewsNation.
In the interview, David Grusch says that:
He hasn’t seen the objects
He hasn’t seen photos of the objects
He received testimony of people who have seen photos of the objects
So, I don’t think this is nearly enough proof. We only have a person who used to work for the UAP taskforce claiming that alien spaceships exist, because he was told so by some other people.
David Grusch also had a lot of documents as evidence that he gave the ICIG and Congress. Grusch himself has seen more than just oral evidence.
He also doesn’t seem to be the only one who talked to the ICIG. Christopher Mellon wrote:
Ross Coulthart who interviewed Grusch and from whose interview the existing NewsNation segment is speaks in another podcast about how he has other sources multiple sources who also tell him about the secret program (going back three years). The difference with Grusch is that he’s willing to speak publically.
Just to be clear, I think two questions are very different:
(1) Has anyone recovered alien spaceships/bodies/anything else?
(2) Is there a secret military program tasked with recovering such things?
If (2) is true, this may or may not be some democratic issue, or some institutional issue, something like this. Nonetheless, David Grusch is claiming both (1) and (2). The quotes you provide seem to point toward (2): there would be a secret program trying to recover alien stuff. They don’t say anything about whether the program has acquired anything.
Wow that’s awfully indirect. I’m surprised his speaking out is much of a story given this.
I guess the fact that this journalist says multiple other intelligence officials are anonymously vouching for Grusch’s claims makes it interesting again: https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/bhH2BqF3fLTCwgjSs/michael-shellenberger-us-has-12-or-more-alien-spacecraft-say#comments
It’s particularly interesting from 5:30: if I’m not misunderstanding him, he implies that they found extra-terrestrial bodies inside the landed/crashed vehicles, which makes me think this is deliberate misinformation. Why would an advanced entity, capable of traveling between stars, separate their body from their spacecraft? Not impossible, but encountering this evidence is much more likely imo if they are crafting a story from common memes about aliens rather than reporting something actually real.
He gave an extremely roundabout answer to that question, and the reporter did not follow up on it, which makes me think it was either a misleading cut or he was caught up in the interview. He doesn’t mention this would-be much stronger evidence in the original article either.
Obviously the idea that the government has alien bodies is ridiculous and if he doesn’t walk that back later it’s definitely a hoax.
It looks like it’s a cut. They likely interviewed him for 1-2 hours and cut out the bits they found most interesting.
Hopefully, some long-form podcaster like Joe Rogan will interview him soon and we have him explaining himself in more detail.
Ross Coulthart interviewed him for something like 7 hours. He talks about it here. I believe the entire interview will be coming out sometime soon?
I’m looking forward to the 7 hours.
It could be an advanced entity that evolved here on Earth and isn’t capable of traveling between stars, perhaps a member of an ancient civilization that predates humanity.
Remember, “alien” and “extraterrestrial” are not necessarily synonymous.