I don’t have time for a justification, take it for what it is. That may be rude, but it is definitely not analogous to what is discussed in the post you linked to. I suppose though, in terms of justifications, that fact is pretty close to what I’m thinking of. You seem to implicitly make analogies which are simply wrong, to do it routinely, and to do it in a manner which would be time-consuming to correct. I’d rather Karma ask for me, but I think people are far too generous with Karma in general, not just with you.
The post on logical rudeness identifies the following subtypes of the phenomenon:
Switching between two arguments whenever headway is being made against one, such that neither can ever be refuted because the topic is changed every time that becomes a danger.
Suddenly weakening a claim without acknowledging that it is any sort of concession.
Offering a non-true rejection.
Eliezer also identifies the opposite of logical rudeness, to which he aspires:
I stick my neck out so that it can be chopped off if I’m wrong, and when I stick my neck out it stays stuck out, and if I have to withdraw it I’ll do so as a visible concession. I may parry—and because I’m human, I may even parry when I shouldn’t—but I at least endeavor not to dodge. Where I plant my standard, I have sent an invitation to capture that banner; and I’ll stand by that invitation.
Saying (as you have) that “you’re stupid and bad at thinking and I won’t say why but it’s so bad that I want you to go away” is a form of logical rudeness I would generally identify as
Making strong claims, stating that they are backed up by strong evidence, and then refusing to provide that evidence.
Like the subtypes Eliezer describes, it’s a form of motivated arguing that makes losing the argument impossible.
That doesn’t sound like any sort of neck-sticking-out I’m familiar with. You have not invited me to capture your banner; you have hidden it.
The opinion “this is stupid” is correctly expressed with a downvote. The opinion “this is so stupid it requires multiple downvotes” is correctly expressed by convincing others to add their downvotes to yours. Most of us didn’t come here to read unthought personal opinions.
I don’t have time for a justification, take it for what it is. That may be rude, but it is definitely not analogous to what is discussed in the post you linked to. I suppose though, in terms of justifications, that fact is pretty close to what I’m thinking of. You seem to implicitly make analogies which are simply wrong, to do it routinely, and to do it in a manner which would be time-consuming to correct. I’d rather Karma ask for me, but I think people are far too generous with Karma in general, not just with you.
The post on logical rudeness identifies the following subtypes of the phenomenon:
Switching between two arguments whenever headway is being made against one, such that neither can ever be refuted because the topic is changed every time that becomes a danger.
Suddenly weakening a claim without acknowledging that it is any sort of concession.
Offering a non-true rejection.
Eliezer also identifies the opposite of logical rudeness, to which he aspires:
Saying (as you have) that “you’re stupid and bad at thinking and I won’t say why but it’s so bad that I want you to go away” is a form of logical rudeness I would generally identify as
Making strong claims, stating that they are backed up by strong evidence, and then refusing to provide that evidence.
Like the subtypes Eliezer describes, it’s a form of motivated arguing that makes losing the argument impossible. That doesn’t sound like any sort of neck-sticking-out I’m familiar with. You have not invited me to capture your banner; you have hidden it.
I’m not making an argument. I’m making a request, or stating a fact about my opinion if you prefer.
The opinion “this is stupid” is correctly expressed with a downvote. The opinion “this is so stupid it requires multiple downvotes” is correctly expressed by convincing others to add their downvotes to yours. Most of us didn’t come here to read unthought personal opinions.
Valid point.