Not evidence, just a model that might explain how a lot of opinion change happens.
I very much like this model, and bullet 4 is where people’s minds are changed but it is through personal ties (as you say), discussion (yes) and very much suffused with emotion.
I also think that too many people are getting pattern-matched as Milos, and shouting down people who have been mis-typed as Milos has negative consequences
Again, who are we talking about? Damore-like? Peterson and the whole of the IDW? The unnamed (center? conservative?) academics?
I am not really at this site’s level, so perhaps I am missing the point. But I certainly dont see rampant shouting down or personal/prestige/economic harm to average people in the real-world via the Left.
Maybe another question: Who is the Left you are talking about? It seems like mostly college kids with I suppose Antifa thrown in(?). So, how about the DSA (they are “Left” yes?): Is the DSA guilty of what you see happening?
(Finally, feel free to ignore my questions; I have no expectation or believe you are obligated to reply. We are just talking! :))
Again, who are we talking about? Damore-like? Peterson and the whole of the IDW?
As stated in the post, I’m mostly worried about people who start self-policing their speech instead of speaking openly about what they believe. I think there are probably a lot of people like this.
Who is the Left you are talking about?
I have in mind a pretty broad swath, including:
Most university administrations
Most of the Bay Area tech industry
Most of the LA entertainment industry
About half of the D.C. lobbying & think tank industry
Not sure about New York… maybe 30-40% of Wall Street?
The problem seems to be with the discourse norms of those communities – what is okay to talk about & what isn’t in those places. I don’t yet have a good model of who sets & maintains those norms.
Is the DSA guilty of what you see happening?
I don’t know very much about the DSA, but from a quick scan of their twitter, I’d guess they are within the discourse-sphere I’m worried about.
I very much like this model, and bullet 4 is where people’s minds are changed but it is through personal ties (as you say), discussion (yes) and very much suffused with emotion.
Again, who are we talking about? Damore-like? Peterson and the whole of the IDW? The unnamed (center? conservative?) academics?
I am not really at this site’s level, so perhaps I am missing the point. But I certainly dont see rampant shouting down or personal/prestige/economic harm to average people in the real-world via the Left.
Maybe another question: Who is the Left you are talking about? It seems like mostly college kids with I suppose Antifa thrown in(?). So, how about the DSA (they are “Left” yes?): Is the DSA guilty of what you see happening?
(Finally, feel free to ignore my questions; I have no expectation or believe you are obligated to reply. We are just talking! :))
As stated in the post, I’m mostly worried about people who start self-policing their speech instead of speaking openly about what they believe. I think there are probably a lot of people like this.
I have in mind a pretty broad swath, including:
Most university administrations
Most of the Bay Area tech industry
Most of the LA entertainment industry
About half of the D.C. lobbying & think tank industry
Not sure about New York… maybe 30-40% of Wall Street?
The problem seems to be with the discourse norms of those communities – what is okay to talk about & what isn’t in those places. I don’t yet have a good model of who sets & maintains those norms.
I don’t know very much about the DSA, but from a quick scan of their twitter, I’d guess they are within the discourse-sphere I’m worried about.