He was still just a man. He didn’t have super powers. He was a skilled orator and leader, with the right ideology, at the right time and place in history. But he wouldn’t be able to break out of an AI box. He wouldn’t be able to design a self replicating machine to destroy the world. A Hitler-in-a-box could be safely contained.
Enough skill in oratory (or something closely related) gets you unboxed. The question is how plausible it is that a superintelligent AI would have enough. (A related question is whether there’s such a thing as enough. There might not be, just as there’s no such thing as enough kinetic energy to let you escape from inside a black hole’s horizon, but the reported results of AI-Box games[1] suggest—though they certainly don’t prove—that there is.)
[1] The term “experiments” seems a little too highfalutin’.
[EDITED to add: I take it Houshalter is saying that Hitler’s known oratorical skills aren’t enough to convince him that H. would have won an AI-Box game, playing as the AI. I am inclined to agree. Hitler was very good at stirring up a crowd, but it’s not clear how that generalizes to persuading an intelligent and skeptical individual.]
Well for one, the human isn’t in a box trying to get out. So an AI mimicking a human isn’t going to say weird things like “let me out of this box!” This method is equivalent to writing Hitler a letter asking him a question, and him sending you an answer. That doesn’t seem dangerous at all.
Second, I really don’t believe Hitler could escape from a box. The AI box experiments suggest a human can do it, but the scenario is very different than a real AI box situation. E.g. no back and forth with the gatekeeper, and the gatekeeper doesn’t have to sit there for 2 hours and listen to the AI emotionally abuse him. If Hitler says something mean, the gatekeeper can just turn him off or walk away.
He could order such machine without leaving a box. He could grab power and start WW3 without leaving the box.
The ability to leave the box an make own copies is not necessary condition for dangerous AI.
If Hitler appeared today, even without being stuck inside a box, he would not be able to start WW3 or grab power. Hitler is not that powerful. And being stuck in a box would be a significant constraint on his power.
He was powerful enough to grab power in Germany in 13 years, even being inside the box of his cranial. If he will be a little bit better now (but not a superintelligence), just ideal psychopath, he (or his equivalent) could be even more effective.
But with Hitler’s mass hysteria skills, the AI could lead others to very crazy ends.
Yes, you do not need to be superintelligent to kill everybody. The later is simplier task.
He was still just a man. He didn’t have super powers. He was a skilled orator and leader, with the right ideology, at the right time and place in history. But he wouldn’t be able to break out of an AI box. He wouldn’t be able to design a self replicating machine to destroy the world. A Hitler-in-a-box could be safely contained.
Isn’t the skill of oratory precisely the skill that gets you unboxed?
Enough skill in oratory (or something closely related) gets you unboxed. The question is how plausible it is that a superintelligent AI would have enough. (A related question is whether there’s such a thing as enough. There might not be, just as there’s no such thing as enough kinetic energy to let you escape from inside a black hole’s horizon, but the reported results of AI-Box games[1] suggest—though they certainly don’t prove—that there is.)
[1] The term “experiments” seems a little too highfalutin’.
[EDITED to add: I take it Houshalter is saying that Hitler’s known oratorical skills aren’t enough to convince him that H. would have won an AI-Box game, playing as the AI. I am inclined to agree. Hitler was very good at stirring up a crowd, but it’s not clear how that generalizes to persuading an intelligent and skeptical individual.]
Well for one, the human isn’t in a box trying to get out. So an AI mimicking a human isn’t going to say weird things like “let me out of this box!” This method is equivalent to writing Hitler a letter asking him a question, and him sending you an answer. That doesn’t seem dangerous at all.
Second, I really don’t believe Hitler could escape from a box. The AI box experiments suggest a human can do it, but the scenario is very different than a real AI box situation. E.g. no back and forth with the gatekeeper, and the gatekeeper doesn’t have to sit there for 2 hours and listen to the AI emotionally abuse him. If Hitler says something mean, the gatekeeper can just turn him off or walk away.
He could order such machine without leaving a box. He could grab power and start WW3 without leaving the box. The ability to leave the box an make own copies is not necessary condition for dangerous AI.
If Hitler appeared today, even without being stuck inside a box, he would not be able to start WW3 or grab power. Hitler is not that powerful. And being stuck in a box would be a significant constraint on his power.
He was powerful enough to grab power in Germany in 13 years, even being inside the box of his cranial. If he will be a little bit better now (but not a superintelligence), just ideal psychopath, he (or his equivalent) could be even more effective.