And I disagree about taboos bottoming out: eventually you should reduce words to things that are not words, such as images and equations. If you think “real” can’t be reduced to other words or math, feel free to point at a heap of real things, a heap of non-real things, or even better machine that outputs “1″ when you show it a real thing and “0” when you show it a non-existent thing.
edit: missed last paragraph: “a negative number is one for wich there exists a number wich is not itself negative that when added to it yelds zero”. ugly and probably has a few bugs, but works as prroof of concept thoguh up in 5 seconds.
Or maybe you meant logical negation, in wich case I say “1 → 0, 0 → 1″
Quote a specific line where Eliezer’s words suggest that ‘real’ for him means simply ‘important’ or ‘interesting’ or ‘observable.’
And I disagree about taboos bottoming out: eventually you should reduce words to things that are not words, such as images and equations.
Why? If you understand my words in terms of their relationship to other words, what added value is gained in reducing to an act of mere gesturing? (Also, images and equations are still symbols, so they’re clearly not where ostension should bottom out; the meanings of images and equations require bottoming out, on your view, in something that is not itself meaningful. A better example might be a sense-datum. See Russell’s The Relation of Sense-data to Physics.)
“a negative number is one for wich there exists a number wich is not itself negative that when added to it yelds zero”
Sorry, I’m not talking about negative numbers like −5. I’m talking about negated propositions, like “2 plus 2 is not equal to five,” or “fire is not cold.” I don’t think negative numbers are conceptually basic, but I think that negation is.
For a statement to be comparable to your universe, so that it can be true or alternatively false, it must talk about stuff you can find in relation to yourself by tracing out causal links.
yea, not a very good one, I’m really tired and can’t find a better one at the moment, I remember there were some in there somewhere...
Rationalist taboo is supposed to get around the problems associated with fuzzy human words. There might still be problems with more direct forms of reference in theory, but in practice the word specific ones are usually enough.
“Not” is one of those things that reduce to math. Specifically, the formal system of boolean algebra.
examples: pretty much this entire post: http://lesswrong.com/lw/ezu/stuff_that_makes_stuff_happen/
And I disagree about taboos bottoming out: eventually you should reduce words to things that are not words, such as images and equations. If you think “real” can’t be reduced to other words or math, feel free to point at a heap of real things, a heap of non-real things, or even better machine that outputs “1″ when you show it a real thing and “0” when you show it a non-existent thing.
edit: missed last paragraph: “a negative number is one for wich there exists a number wich is not itself negative that when added to it yelds zero”. ugly and probably has a few bugs, but works as prroof of concept thoguh up in 5 seconds. Or maybe you meant logical negation, in wich case I say “1 → 0, 0 → 1″
Quote a specific line where Eliezer’s words suggest that ‘real’ for him means simply ‘important’ or ‘interesting’ or ‘observable.’
Why? If you understand my words in terms of their relationship to other words, what added value is gained in reducing to an act of mere gesturing? (Also, images and equations are still symbols, so they’re clearly not where ostension should bottom out; the meanings of images and equations require bottoming out, on your view, in something that is not itself meaningful. A better example might be a sense-datum. See Russell’s The Relation of Sense-data to Physics.)
Sorry, I’m not talking about negative numbers like −5. I’m talking about negated propositions, like “2 plus 2 is not equal to five,” or “fire is not cold.” I don’t think negative numbers are conceptually basic, but I think that negation is.
looks like i linked the wrong post, meant to link the previous one ( http://lesswrong.com/lw/eva/the_fabric_of_real_things/ ). Quote anywya:
yea, not a very good one, I’m really tired and can’t find a better one at the moment, I remember there were some in there somewhere...
Rationalist taboo is supposed to get around the problems associated with fuzzy human words. There might still be problems with more direct forms of reference in theory, but in practice the word specific ones are usually enough.
“Not” is one of those things that reduce to math. Specifically, the formal system of boolean algebra.