I upvoted you, then changed my mind about doing so because of intense emotional content. From both sides, this feels like a fight. I have also retracted my vote on the main post.
I agree that you have good points, but I don’t feel able to engage with them without it feeling like fighting/like tribal something or other.
Thanks for both your policy and your honesty. The bind I feel like I’m in is that, in this case, the way I’d back away from a fight and move myself toward productive collaboration is to offer to double crux, and it seems like in this case that would be inappropriate/might be received as itself a sort of sneaky status move or an attempt to “win.”
If Thrasymachus or anyone else has specific thoughts on how best to engage, I commit to conforming to those thoughts, as a worthwhile experiment. I am interested in the actual truth of the matter, and most of my defensiveness centers around not wanting to throw away the accumulated value we have so far (as opposed to something something status something something ownership).
I think, based on my reading of Thrasymachus’s post, that they think there’s a reasonable generalization of double crux that has succeeded in the real world; that it’s too hard to get to that generalization from double crux; but that there is a reasonable way for disagreeing people to engage.
I am censoring further things I want to say, to avoid pushing on the resonance of tribalism-fighting.
I am censoring further things I want to say, to avoid pushing on the resonance of tribalism-fighting.
Out of curiosity, do you think that inserting an explicit disclaimer like this helps to reduce feelings of tribal offense? If so, having now written such a disclaimer, do you think it would be worth it to share more of your thoughts on the matter?
(I’ll be honest; my main motivator for asking this is because I’m curious and want to read the stuff you didn’t say. But even taking that into consideration, it seems to me that the questions I asked have merit.)
I upvoted you, then changed my mind about doing so because of intense emotional content. From both sides, this feels like a fight. I have also retracted my vote on the main post.
I agree that you have good points, but I don’t feel able to engage with them without it feeling like fighting/like tribal something or other.
Thanks for both your policy and your honesty. The bind I feel like I’m in is that, in this case, the way I’d back away from a fight and move myself toward productive collaboration is to offer to double crux, and it seems like in this case that would be inappropriate/might be received as itself a sort of sneaky status move or an attempt to “win.”
If Thrasymachus or anyone else has specific thoughts on how best to engage, I commit to conforming to those thoughts, as a worthwhile experiment. I am interested in the actual truth of the matter, and most of my defensiveness centers around not wanting to throw away the accumulated value we have so far (as opposed to something something status something something ownership).
I think, based on my reading of Thrasymachus’s post, that they think there’s a reasonable generalization of double crux that has succeeded in the real world; that it’s too hard to get to that generalization from double crux; but that there is a reasonable way for disagreeing people to engage.
I am censoring further things I want to say, to avoid pushing on the resonance of tribalism-fighting.
Out of curiosity, do you think that inserting an explicit disclaimer like this helps to reduce feelings of tribal offense? If so, having now written such a disclaimer, do you think it would be worth it to share more of your thoughts on the matter?
(I’ll be honest; my main motivator for asking this is because I’m curious and want to read the stuff you didn’t say. But even taking that into consideration, it seems to me that the questions I asked have merit.)
no, I think it creates a small fraction of what it would if I’d said the thing.