Judging from the amount of perfectly innocuous comments from you that are downvoted at the moment (including the one that I’m responding to; or rather was downvoted until I upvoted it back to 0), this seems like it’s indeed the case.
Since I was one of the downvoters, I’d like to clarify that I have no firm opinions about Gleb personally. I find the texts that he posts here to be slimy, sleazy, and scummy snake-oil, and I consider his efforts to be misguided.
If he were post something smart or insightful, I’d upvote accordingly.
I thought this was an important enough new book to give it higher attention than just an open thread. But I see now what the motivation of people would be downvote it, and will duly update.
We already have a media thread. An average of several dozen media links are posted every month[0], and if they were all top-level posts the site would quickly become useless. While the story is interesting, I don’t think it’s interesting enough to overcome that.
I didn’t downvote it, but I’m tempted to. Granted, I hardly represent Less Wrong, but as for me, this seems like… reputation farming? But that perception is influenced by my perception of you. Given that my perceptions aren’t too unusual, some of the downvotes are going to be for the reason that it feels like you’re manipulating people into liking you by playing a role that you think is expected of you.
Others will be because you’re playing the role badly; as mentioned elsewhere, this would be more appropriate in an Open Thread or Media Thread, and indeed has shown up in one of those before. Some of them might suspect you’re karma farming by taking advantage of the higher karma associated with upvotes on posts than comments.
I’m not really interested in reputation farming, I have a quite high enough level of karma.
I’m simply excited about the book and thought is was valuable enough to give it higher attention than just an open thread. But I see now what the motivation of people would be downvote it, and will duly update. Thanks!
Reputation, as distinct from karma. Karma-farming is, roughly, engaging in low-content posts/comments to get upvotes. Reputation farming is engaging in low-effort activities to get people to think better/higher of you (or of a cause or idea you are representing, or attempting to represent). Most people only engage in it when they feel like their reputation is slipping, or is at risk of slipping.
I’d say it’s one of the most basic tools in the dark arts toolbox. If you aren’t intentionally engaging in it, to such extent as you are committed to using rational dark arts, you probably should be, just don’t let people -notice- that you’re doing it, because people don’t like feeling manipulated, and it becomes counterproductive.
I think reputation management like that is too advanced for me, I have way too many other things to do :-) I hope those activities will let people determine their reputation of me. But thanks for the info, it’s good to know what people do regarding managing their reputation, I will try to notice when that occurs.
higher karma associated with upvotes on posts than comments
If you mean the 10x factor, that only applies in Main. If you mean that the same thing is likely to get more upvotes if it’s a post than if it’s only an open-thread comment, well, empirically it seems not to be true in this case.
I just explicitly checked (apologies to Gleb_Tsipursky, author of the most recent Discussion post, if he happened to be watching his karma while it wobbled up and down). Definitely 1x.
For those who wish to downvote it, I’m curious about your motivations. Want to optimize my modeling of LWs :-)
I didn’t downvote, but my model of people who did is they don’t like you and find you a bit slimy.
Ah, I see. So for those people, it’s not about the post, it’s about the author. Gotcha.
Judging from the amount of perfectly innocuous comments from you that are downvoted at the moment (including the one that I’m responding to; or rather was downvoted until I upvoted it back to 0), this seems like it’s indeed the case.
Some people.
Since I was one of the downvoters, I’d like to clarify that I have no firm opinions about Gleb personally. I find the texts that he posts here to be slimy, sleazy, and scummy snake-oil, and I consider his efforts to be misguided.
If he were post something smart or insightful, I’d upvote accordingly.
Thanks for providing further evidence.
I’m curious: what were your direct motivations for posting this in a thread instead of as a comment in the Open or Media threads?
I thought this was an important enough new book to give it higher attention than just an open thread. But I see now what the motivation of people would be downvote it, and will duly update.
You re-posted a blurb with zero additional content. Moreover, it’s a dupe as Crystal Society was already mentioned here before your post.
We already have a media thread. An average of several dozen media links are posted every month[0], and if they were all top-level posts the site would quickly become useless. While the story is interesting, I don’t think it’s interesting enough to overcome that.
[0]: Have not actually counted.
I didn’t downvote it, but I’m tempted to. Granted, I hardly represent Less Wrong, but as for me, this seems like… reputation farming? But that perception is influenced by my perception of you. Given that my perceptions aren’t too unusual, some of the downvotes are going to be for the reason that it feels like you’re manipulating people into liking you by playing a role that you think is expected of you.
Others will be because you’re playing the role badly; as mentioned elsewhere, this would be more appropriate in an Open Thread or Media Thread, and indeed has shown up in one of those before. Some of them might suspect you’re karma farming by taking advantage of the higher karma associated with upvotes on posts than comments.
I’m not really interested in reputation farming, I have a quite high enough level of karma.
I’m simply excited about the book and thought is was valuable enough to give it higher attention than just an open thread. But I see now what the motivation of people would be downvote it, and will duly update. Thanks!
Reputation, as distinct from karma. Karma-farming is, roughly, engaging in low-content posts/comments to get upvotes. Reputation farming is engaging in low-effort activities to get people to think better/higher of you (or of a cause or idea you are representing, or attempting to represent). Most people only engage in it when they feel like their reputation is slipping, or is at risk of slipping.
I’d say it’s one of the most basic tools in the dark arts toolbox. If you aren’t intentionally engaging in it, to such extent as you are committed to using rational dark arts, you probably should be, just don’t let people -notice- that you’re doing it, because people don’t like feeling manipulated, and it becomes counterproductive.
I think reputation management like that is too advanced for me, I have way too many other things to do :-) I hope those activities will let people determine their reputation of me. But thanks for the info, it’s good to know what people do regarding managing their reputation, I will try to notice when that occurs.
If you mean the 10x factor, that only applies in Main. If you mean that the same thing is likely to get more upvotes if it’s a post than if it’s only an open-thread comment, well, empirically it seems not to be true in this case.
Hm. I swear there used to be a 3x multiplier on Discussion posts.
It’s indeed 1X.
I just explicitly checked (apologies to Gleb_Tsipursky, author of the most recent Discussion post, if he happened to be watching his karma while it wobbled up and down). Definitely 1x.
I am curious too of why the donwvote, I am guessing that it is more of an open thread type of post.
And it’s already there; two days before this post. One of the first things posted in the newest Open Thread.
Or even the media thread.