Interesting point. The article I link to talks more specifically about how these hormones interact with oestrogen, hence why I thought it was more relevant than blood levels. Thanks for specifying that.
Otherwise, talking about producing predominantly oestrogen is a more accurate way to talk about what I’m referring to than saying male/female. I know it sounds odd to some, but I don’t mind. The thing is that some people have a penis (so someone you might call a male) and produce predominantly oestrogen, and some people have a vagina (so someone you might call a female) and produce predominantly testosterone. Be it because they’re trans and on hrt, or because they’re a cis woman and have PCOS, or because they’re intersex, or for other reasons. I prefer to be accurate with my language so there’s no confusion.
some people have a vagina (so someone you might call a female) and produce predominantly testosterone [...] because they’re a cis woman and have PCOS, or because they’re intersex, or for other reasons
What specific intersex condition or specific other reason would result in people with a vagina producing predominantly testosterone? (Also, I’m not really sure what “predominantly” means in this context—as compared to what?)
I didn’t know about these numbers for PCOS, that’s good to know.
I’m note sure what you mean by specific intersex condition; afaik, intersex people can have all sorts of combinations of sex attributes (they can have a vagina and XY chromosomes for instance, or a vagina and internal testicles, and so on; one of those variables would be their level of hormones). Another specific reason someone with a vagina would produce predominantly testosterone is if they’re a trans man on hormone replacement therapy.
What I mean by predominantly is that they would produce more testosterone than estrogen (or the other way around); since cis women are more sensitive to the effects of hormones produced when having sex because they produce more estrogen, is it my understanding that the same would be true of someone who produces predominantly estrogen, regardless of their gender.
My point is that transwomen who don’t produce oestrogen but supplement it, have it in their blood. I would expect a trans women who takes hormones to be similarly affected as a cis woman.
Agreed. And a trans man who doesn’t take hormone would also be affected similarly. I think saying man/woman or male/female is a bit inaccurate in this context because of that (also because not everyone means the same thing when they say male/female; some refer to a biological reality, so having certain genitalia, and some give it the same meaning as man and woman, so a gender identity). I prefer to use a term that is both accurate and unambiguous (+ that encompasses the other realities I mentioned in my former comment, like intersex people and such), even if that means a lengthier sentence.
Ok I understand. So maybe I should switch for another word than produce? Just as plain as “people who have more estrogen than testosterone in their blood”, or something of the likes?
Interesting point. The article I link to talks more specifically about how these hormones interact with oestrogen, hence why I thought it was more relevant than blood levels. Thanks for specifying that.
Otherwise, talking about producing predominantly oestrogen is a more accurate way to talk about what I’m referring to than saying male/female. I know it sounds odd to some, but I don’t mind. The thing is that some people have a penis (so someone you might call a male) and produce predominantly oestrogen, and some people have a vagina (so someone you might call a female) and produce predominantly testosterone. Be it because they’re trans and on hrt, or because they’re a cis woman and have PCOS, or because they’re intersex, or for other reasons. I prefer to be accurate with my language so there’s no confusion.
Really? An article in Clinical Medicine and Research claims that most testosterone values in females with PCOS are ≤150 ng/dL, whereas (for comparison) the American Urological Association says that low testosterone in males should be diagnosed below 300 ng/dL.
What specific intersex condition or specific other reason would result in people with a vagina producing predominantly testosterone? (Also, I’m not really sure what “predominantly” means in this context—as compared to what?)
I didn’t know about these numbers for PCOS, that’s good to know.
I’m note sure what you mean by specific intersex condition; afaik, intersex people can have all sorts of combinations of sex attributes (they can have a vagina and XY chromosomes for instance, or a vagina and internal testicles, and so on; one of those variables would be their level of hormones). Another specific reason someone with a vagina would produce predominantly testosterone is if they’re a trans man on hormone replacement therapy.
What I mean by predominantly is that they would produce more testosterone than estrogen (or the other way around); since cis women are more sensitive to the effects of hormones produced when having sex because they produce more estrogen, is it my understanding that the same would be true of someone who produces predominantly estrogen, regardless of their gender.
My point is that transwomen who don’t produce oestrogen but supplement it, have it in their blood. I would expect a trans women who takes hormones to be similarly affected as a cis woman.
Agreed. And a trans man who doesn’t take hormone would also be affected similarly. I think saying man/woman or male/female is a bit inaccurate in this context because of that (also because not everyone means the same thing when they say male/female; some refer to a biological reality, so having certain genitalia, and some give it the same meaning as man and woman, so a gender identity). I prefer to use a term that is both accurate and unambiguous (+ that encompasses the other realities I mentioned in my former comment, like intersex people and such), even if that means a lengthier sentence.
The problem is that it’s not accurate here as while a trans man has the hormones in their blood they don’t produce them (or at least not all of them).
Ok I understand. So maybe I should switch for another word than produce? Just as plain as “people who have more estrogen than testosterone in their blood”, or something of the likes?
Yes, I think that would match the intended meaning.