Suppose a man walks up to you and claims to be both Jesus and John Lennon, and another man walks up to you claiming to be a woman. Would you accommodate one or both of their delusions and how?
That depends on what is required to accommodate the two people.
If “jesus” guy insists on being worshipped, then thats infringing on the boundaries of others; if he wishes to be left to his own devices of enlightenment (talking to bushes and drinking wine-water) - then sure, good for him and his utilons of happiness.
Similarly if “woman” wishes to change the world that could be violating the personal rights of others; however keeping to yourself and what you can reasonably have power over—does not burden others.
the deluded individual insists men on attending women’s colleges and going to women’s bathrooms.
This is an example that describes violating personal rights of others. Because of this example I believe I agree with you, however we disagree over what could/could not be permitted by reasonable liberties.
That depends on what is required to accommodate the two people.
Let’s put it this way. Would you recommend he get psychological counseling for his delusion, or tell him that his map is a perfectly valid one and that how he(she?) feels about himself he is by definition correct?
Also, suppose the men wants to adopt a kid. Should he be able to? Should adoption agencies have the right to refuse him?
the deluded individual insists men on attending women’s colleges and going to women’s bathrooms.
This is an example that describes violating personal rights of others. Because of this example I believe I agree with you, however we disagree over what could/could not be permitted by reasonable liberties.
Unfortunately, these are examples of demands “transwomen” are making, and frequently getting in the US. Frequently backed up by state laws.
Would you recommend he get psychological counseling for his delusion, or tell him that his map is a perfectly valid one
I would do neither as both are examples of attempting to influence the world beyond the personal scope.
suppose the men wants to adopt a kid.
I have no knowledge of existing processes, but I assume somewhere it involves counselling or an evaluation as to whether the person is fit to parent. (some kind of massive paperwork process) If they pass such an ordinary process, then they should be able to do as they please.
Which is to say; yes this model breaks eventually (because someone has to evaluate and establish a baseline of “fit to parent” and declare whether the person fits within the lines or not), but it goes a lot further than “I have the right map because I say so, and everyone who doesn’t have my map is wrong and should change their map to be like mine”
these are examples of demands “transwomen” are making.
Not gonna lie—the US is a strange place.
individual insists men on attending women’s colleges and going to women’s bathrooms.
I can’t say that I know these answers; but I would start by looking at “what is a women’s college and for what purpose was it defined to be so?”. followed by, what does “men” mean in this instance, then “who will be directly affected by any decision, in what way?”
That depends on what is required to accommodate the two people.
If “jesus” guy insists on being worshipped, then thats infringing on the boundaries of others; if he wishes to be left to his own devices of enlightenment (talking to bushes and drinking wine-water) - then sure, good for him and his utilons of happiness.
Similarly if “woman” wishes to change the world that could be violating the personal rights of others; however keeping to yourself and what you can reasonably have power over—does not burden others.
This is an example that describes violating personal rights of others. Because of this example I believe I agree with you, however we disagree over what could/could not be permitted by reasonable liberties.
Let’s put it this way. Would you recommend he get psychological counseling for his delusion, or tell him that his map is a perfectly valid one and that how he(she?) feels about himself he is by definition correct?
Also, suppose the men wants to adopt a kid. Should he be able to? Should adoption agencies have the right to refuse him?
Unfortunately, these are examples of demands “transwomen” are making, and frequently getting in the US. Frequently backed up by state laws.
I would do neither as both are examples of attempting to influence the world beyond the personal scope.
I have no knowledge of existing processes, but I assume somewhere it involves counselling or an evaluation as to whether the person is fit to parent. (some kind of massive paperwork process) If they pass such an ordinary process, then they should be able to do as they please.
Which is to say; yes this model breaks eventually (because someone has to evaluate and establish a baseline of “fit to parent” and declare whether the person fits within the lines or not), but it goes a lot further than “I have the right map because I say so, and everyone who doesn’t have my map is wrong and should change their map to be like mine”
Not gonna lie—the US is a strange place.
I can’t say that I know these answers; but I would start by looking at “what is a women’s college and for what purpose was it defined to be so?”. followed by, what does “men” mean in this instance, then “who will be directly affected by any decision, in what way?”